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Old 06-21-2012, 07:28 PM   #36
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Yea. That's what I'm talking about. OK. Is that why I messed my first cam up. Because I didn't tighten them down with the lifters down?
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Yea. That's what I'm talking about. OK. Is that why I messed my first cam up. Because I didn't tighten them down with the lifters down?
look in your haynes or chilton for the exact procedure. if you dont have one its a great investment.
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Old 06-21-2012, 08:23 PM   #38
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I have a chilton it just didn't say much about the lifters. Ill have to go back through it and cheack again.
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Re: transmission

That would be better, but not entirely necessary on pedestal mount rockers with hydraulic lifters.

Since there is no "adjustment" so to speak it won't really matter.
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So why did my cam and lifters get beat up after I put the lifters in after I rebuilt her....the lifters fell out of the motor when I flipped her so they didn't go back into original spots. But would that make the lifters and cam get messed up.
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So why did my cam and lifters get beat up after I put the lifters in after I rebuilt her....the lifters fell out of the motor when I flipped her so they didn't go back into original spots. But would that make the lifters and cam get messed up.
have you changed your rockers or heads or anything? are you sure you have the right size pushrods? and most importanly did you soak/prime the lifters good the first time with oil?
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So why did my cam and lifters get beat up after I put the lifters in after I rebuilt her....the lifters fell out of the motor when I flipped her so they didn't go back into original spots. But would that make the lifters and cam get messed up.
That's not good. You should closely inspect them for any damage that might damage the lifter bore or camshaft. Nicks, gouges, scrapes, etc..
It's best that they go back in the same hole they came from as they have "worn in" to that hole, but you can probably get by ok reinstalling them where you think they may have gone.
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Old 06-21-2012, 08:32 PM   #43
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I bought a new cam and lifters and installed them. I just don't want the dame thing happening. But everything should be OK. It was just how the grooves were with the old lifters?
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That's not good. You should closely inspect them for any damage that might damage the lifter bore or camshaft. Nicks, gouges, scrapes, etc..
It's best that they go back in the same hole they came from as they have "worn in" to that hole, but you can probably get by ok reinstalling them where you think they may have gone.
thinks its possible he had the wrong kind of lifter? thats wierd.
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I bought a new cam and lifters and installed them. I just don't want the dame thing happening. But everything should be OK. It was just how the grooves were with the old lifters?
Can you get pics of one new and one old side by side?
It's possible the oiling grooves are not right on the new set?

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thinks its possible he had the wrong kind of lifter? thats wierd.
Hmmm.
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Old 06-21-2012, 09:31 PM   #46
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That's the old lifter the new are in.....their was a real slight difference in the top where the push rod sits....the depth looked the same but always hard to tell by naked eye.
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Old 06-21-2012, 09:57 PM   #49
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so you dont have a roller cam? what year is your car?
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Hydraulic ......84
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Old 06-21-2012, 10:01 PM   #51
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oh sorry i just saw you had an 84

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just for chits, how long did it take to make this mess? the lifters getting messed up
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Didn't drive it far but probably a total of ten minutes driving, and two hours sitting and messing with timing.
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With a flat tappet cam you have to coat the lifter bottom and the camshaft lobes with break in lube and follow the directions explicitly for breaking in the camshaft. Otherwise severe damage can and will occur. When that happens you will usually have to replace the lifters and the cam and pray that the debris didn't get into the engine bearings.

I would strongly recommend switching to a roller cam when you are able to do so.
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Old 06-21-2012, 10:13 PM   #54
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So I have everything together now. She cranks and wants to start but the selinoid gets hot after about two five second cranks. I got a new selinoid so I don't think its that. I'm guessing the starter but not sure.
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So I have everything together now. She cranks and wants to start but the selinoid gets hot after about two five second cranks. I got a new selinoid so I don't think its that. I'm guessing the starter but not sure.
Starter is dragging or the engine is binding up.
Using a torque wrench it shouldn't take more than 15-20 ft lbs to turn the engine over using the bolt in the end of the crankshaft. That's with no spark plugs, belts or transmission connected though. I don't have any specs to include the accessories or transmission.
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Old 06-21-2012, 10:49 PM   #56
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That's good right there man....thanks a lot to both of you guys.
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That's good right there man....thanks a lot to both of you guys.
You're welcome, hope you get it sorted out soon.
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