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Old 07-14-2012, 03:17 PM   #36
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you have stock rockers? i dont remember the procedure for tightening them.
Stock rockers you just tighten them down, don't remember the torque spec off hand
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Stock rockers you just tighten them down, don't remember the torque spec off hand
i thought so. i dont remember either maybe something like 20lbs ish but i could be wrong.
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i thought so. i dont remember either maybe something like 20lbs ish but i could be wrong.
Yeah, I'd say 20-30lbs sounds about right. Can't remember what mine were when I swapped heads and it's only been a year heh.
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Old 07-14-2012, 03:25 PM   #39
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passenger side is the same way. Would all o those being loose cause oil to flow to the intake and exhaust?
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passenger side is the same way. Would all o those being loose cause oil to flow to the intake and exhaust?
idk. this is a good one for trojan! trojan help help

i dont think that it would cause that but maybe with the valves floating? idk
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passenger side is the same way. Would all o those being loose cause oil to flow to the intake and exhaust?
How loose we talking? Like u can take the bolts outta the rockers by hand or can just slightly wiggle then back and forth?

And I agree with dreamstang, I don't think it would cause it but I'm not certsin
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wiggle a bit

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Should I take the lower intake off and check the lifters or just tighten the rocker and put it back together.
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im to the point where i dont want to guide you in the wrong direction. because i am only a diy'er with only experience that i have done personally. and i know the problems that you have been through, so i get a bit nervous.

but first im curious to know why the rockers where loose. did you tighten them down the first time to the procedure listed in your manual?

something else that comes to mind. if your lifters sat for a while they may have needed to be primed and/or soaked in oil. or did you use new lifters?
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I used the ones that sat for awhile and did not prime them. I f'ed up didn't I? Do u think if I take the lower intake off they would still be good? I still have my stock ones too.
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this is where im not sure. maybe after running they will prime, im not sure. i think it will be ok once they get enough oil in them. but you will have to check to make sure they are tight a few times. its always hard saying, because sometimes if a lifter sits it wont need prime and sometimes it will. i am just not sure if you need to pull them or not, and if they will pump up them selfs or not? idk

i do know for sure if they dont have oil in them they will change in size, throwing off you tightening them.

thats why most people usely dont take a chance and just prime them to be safe.
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I'm gonna use my old ones and see what happens, but could bad lifters cause oil to go everywhere? Would that be possible?
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I'm gonna use my old ones and see what happens, but could bad lifters cause oil to go everywhere? Would that be possible?
i dont think they could. but not sure. darnit we need teojan back on! lol

usually oil in the intake is caused from crank case pressure. most cases the pcv system is at fault.it is also more common on a forced induction motor. some people install an oil seperator on the pcv. and as i have seen trojan just recently pick up a pump to vacuum out pressure from his crankcase.

if ou take your pcv off is there lots of oil in it? that might tell us if this is whats going on.
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I dont think that's it. My car was at idle. no boost. also it's vented to atmosphere after the last set of head gaskets
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im not sure then. i dont see any other way for the oil to get into the intake.
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Okay, maybe u r right. I'm almost done taking it apart now. Lower intake will be off shortly
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Okay, maybe u r right. I'm almost done taking it apart now. Lower intake will be off shortly
i wouldnt put it back together right away. i wold let whatever lifters you are putting in soak in oil over night. or you maybe able to pump them with an oil can.

im still not positive you needed to take it back apart. as they may have pump up themselves. but not sure cause i like to play it safe and do it ahead of time.
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all I know is that I have oil in funny places

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started making serious noises plus the whole oil everywhere issue
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all I know is that I have oil in funny places
thats about all i know to. lol oh and its not good, you just have to bare with me a little cause im no expert and its somewhat difficult trouble shooting over the net.

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i hope it works out man. im keeping my fingers crossed!
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No coolant but just took my upper intake off and there is lots of oil in it?
Who put the engine together? I wonder if the rings were installed correctly or if they are the correct rings?

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you have stock rockers? i dont remember the procedure for tightening them.
Just tighten them down to specs, there is no adjustment.
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Who put the engine together? I wonder if the rings were installed correctly or if they are the correct rings?

Just tighten them down to specs, there is no adjustment.
would the rings would allow oil alll the way into the intake?
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I machine shop in Addison IL supposedly. It's the DSS 331 kit and it comes with the rings. There's no coolant in my oil btw. I have lower intake off and really don't see anything wrong.
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would the rings would allow oil alll the way into the intake?
Yes they will.
Worn, incorrect or improperly installed rings cause blowby and will push oil into the intake.
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I machine shop in Addison IL supposedly. It's the DSS 331 kit and it comes with the rings. There's no coolant in my oil btw. I have lower intake off and really don't see anything wrong.
I'm afraid you are going to have to tear it down to see what the issue is.
Hopefully not, but that's sure what it is beginning to sound like.
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when you say tear it down do you mean pull the engine again?

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it's brand new everything including the block. Isn't there a break in or something? Man I'm dyin here
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I'm afraid you are going to have to tear it down to see what the issue is.
Hopefully not, but that's sure what it is beginning to sound like.
he could do a compression test first to verify first right?
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I'll do it if I have too

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I already have all but the heads off, it did however blow my finger off the spark plug hole when trying to find tdc.
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I'll do it if I have too

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I already have all but the heads off, it did however blow my finger off the spark plug hole when trying to find tdc.
that is compression, but not an accurate compression test. i dont remember for these engines, but you need to use compression gauge. and all cylinders should be something like 150 lbs and not vary more than 10 lbs.
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when you say tear it down do you mean pull the engine again?

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it's brand new everything including the block. Isn't there a break in or something? Man I'm dyin here
Yes, there is a break in period, but if your lifters are not pumping up (loose) and you are getting that much oil in the intake and exhaust something doesn't sound right. Hopefully it is nothing serious.


Hey, maybe they just pumped the cylinders full of oil to preserve them?


I really feel for you and I wish I could help you out more.
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he could do a compression test first to verify first right?
Yes, definitely.
His Chiltons should give the specs.
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so should I just try soaking the lifters for a day then putting it all back together?

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can I do a compression test with the upper and lower intake off?
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so should I just try soaking the lifters for a day then putting it all back together?

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can I do a compression test with the upper and lower intake off?
That would probably be a good idea. Use a lifter to try and work the hydraulics up and down while they are in the oil if you can.


You really need to have the engine warmed up to operating temp to do a compression test.
If it is cold the readings will be off considerably.
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Do u mean just push the top in with my finger or the pushrods? Manually in the oil bucket?


Also, I did have about a half quart of oil in my upper intake. Sounds like blow by right?

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Would the failed lifters allow oil to pass through areas it wouldnt normally pass?
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Do u mean just push the top in with my finger or the pushrods? Manually in the oil bucket?


Also, I did have about a half quart of oil in my upper intake. Sounds like blow by right?

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Would the failed lifters allow oil to pass through areas it wouldnt normally pass?
Manually in the bucket, with a pushrod. Just to work the air out.


That's a lot of blowby. I bet they filled the cylinders with oil like I wondered above.
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Dammit JAY!!! Wish you could avoid some of the bad luck.
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