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Old 07-14-2012, 06:31 PM   #71
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Okay, so I need new rings or should I try the lifter thing? Sorry I'm just at the end of my rope with this. In the 1.5 years I've owned this car is has ran for about three weeks
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Manually in the bucket, with a pushrod. Just to work the air out.

That's a lot of blowby. I bet they filled the cylinders with oil like I wondered above.
what do youe mean filled the cylinders with oil? he installed the heads i think?
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I did the heads
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I don't know jay if a collapsed lifter would keep a valve open or not, and let the oil into the cylinder, then back through the intake. Im just not sure.

It maybe worth trying to put it back together after you soaked the lifters. You need it together to do a compression test anyways.

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Okay, I'll put it back tomorrow or Monday after the lifters have had time to soak.

Next step would be to re ring my new engine? . If the lifter thing didn't work of course?
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Okay, I'll put it back tomorrow or Monday after the lifters have had time to soak.

Next step would be to re ring my new engine? . If the lifter thing didn't work of course?
Probably. But the compression test should give you better information.

You also may need to go fishing again.
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Haha, yeah!
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Man, I'm catching up here and having serious anxiety. I hope putting it back together w/the lifters you are drowning will get that baby up and running!
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what do youe mean filled the cylinders with oil? he installed the heads i think?
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Well crap, that blows that wishful thinking out of the water.



If you can get to run for a while and go through some heating and cooling cycles maybe it will seal up and be ok.
I wonder how long it had been assembled?
Maybe the rings are just stuck a bit?
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Well crap, that blows that wishful thinking out of the water.



If you can get to run for a while and go through some heating and cooling cycles maybe it will seal up and be ok.
I wonder how long it had been assembled?
Maybe the rings are just stuck a bit?
It was assembled and stored for approximately three years.
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Well crap, that blows that wishful thinking out of the water.

If you can get to run for a while and go through some heating and cooling cycles maybe it will seal up and be ok.
I wonder how long it had been assembled?
Maybe the rings are just stuck a bit?
isnt it normal for some leaky rings until an engine is broken in?

also if it is blowby through the rings, then the compression from the cylinders would be pressurizing the crankcase and pushing oil throught the intake right? so either way he would still be able to see oil in the pcv?
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It was assembled and stored for approximately three years.
Then it very well could have some stuck rings.
Had I thought to ask that before you assembled it and put it together I would have suggested pulling it apart and checking it.
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Then it very well could have some stuck rings.
Had I thought to ask that before you assembled it and put it together I would have suggested pulling it apart and checking it.
Bummer, should I still try the lifter thing or what do you guys think?
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Then it very well could have some stuck rings.
Had I thought to ask that before you assembled it and put it together I would have suggested pulling it apart and checking it.
will stuck rings eventually free up? that makes me wonder if thats what it is also. because he was having troule turning the motor over, as it would be a little harder if the were froze.

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Bummer, should I still try the lifter thing or what do you guys think?
how well was the engine preserved? was it coated with oil or any thing like that?
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will stuck rings eventually free up? that makes me wonder if thats what it is also. because he was having troule turning the motor over, as it would be a little harder if the were froze.

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how well was the engine preserved? was it coated with oil or any thing like that?
It turns over by hand fine when the cylinders don't have oil in them
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It turns over by hand fine when the cylinders don't have oil in them
lol. it should turn over better with all the cylinder wall lubrication.
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lol. it should turn over better with all the cylinder wall lubrication.
Yeah, unless theres a half quart of oil in each one
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Wow.. Sounds bad but prob just needs sone new rings or un-froze. I've heard guys having the same prob. And ran it for a good 10 mins during break in with light weight oil and the noise and oil washout stopped once the rings set. But I would open it back up if you have the time and skills.
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Wow.. Sounds bad but prob just needs sone new rings or un-froze. I've heard guys having the same prob. And ran it for a good 10 mins during break in with light weight oil and the noise and oil washout stopped once the rings set. But I would open it back up if you have the time and skills.
So should I even bother putting it back together with the rockers soaked?

What rings would I need?

DSS racing 331 stroker kit with a Ford SVO block .030 pistons

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So should I even bother putting it back together with the rockers soaked?

What rings would I need?

DSS racing 331 stroker kit with a Ford SVO block .030 pistons
I went to Summitracing.com, but there are so many options!
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Some total seal rings would work good.. But there are several choices.. I would wait to see what Dream and TH say also.
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k, kind of sounds like I should just do that and not even bother with putting it back together with the lifters to see what happens.
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Gaskets get expensive. But idk video always helps but you tore it back down to quick.. Idk if I would throw it back together.. I personally wouldn't I think but idk. I didn't get to hear it and pin point the noise.
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The noise was probably the roller lifters, but the intake, cylinders and exhaust were full of oil. That's the real problem.
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Well it sounds like a lifter wasn't working and filling your heads with oil but idk how.. Or could the turbo have a bad seal an be forcing oil in??
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Not the turbo, idk maybe I should throw it back together and see.
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I think that you maybe waiting some time throwing it back together. But I think I would still do it for some trouble shooting. There maybe something you can put in there to free up the rings to. Like some good penetration oil or something. But like I said there's a good chance you waisting your time, but I think I would still do it for trouble shooting purposes.
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Re: My new harmonic balancer does not have timing marks like my old one did!

Years ago I had a 302 that was stuck from sitting. I got it broke loose and ran it for a few months but it was using oil.
When I tore it down every top compression ring it had was broken into multiple pieces and had scarred up the block really bad.


I tell you this not to scare you, but to let you know what can happen. It doesn't sound like yours was stuck, so you may not have that issue, but I'm really thinking that you should tear it down and check or replace the rings. The amounts of oil you have been talking about are excessive and you should probably pin down where it is coming from for sure before you run the engine much. If one of the cylinders were to pump to much oil into itself it could hydraulic.
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Yeah, I know. Just ready to drive it a little
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Years ago I had a 302 that was stuck from sitting. I got it broke loose and ran it for a few months but it was using oil.
When I tore it down every top compression ring it had was broken into multiple pieces and had scarred up the block really bad.

I tell you this not to scare you, but to let you know what can happen. It doesn't sound like yours was stuck, so you may not have that issue, but I'm really thinking that you should tear it down and check or replace the rings. The amounts of oil you have been talking about are excessive and you should probably pin down where it is coming from for sure before you run the engine much. If one of the cylinders were to pump to much oil into itself it could hydraulic.
^ this advice is probably way better than mine.
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Which ring kit should I get? engine is .030
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Which ring kit should I get? engine is .030
I'd check what you have before you buy any new.
I like the Total Seal rings, but they are a bit pricey.
A good set of moly rings will suffice as long as you install them per the directions and don't line up the gaps.
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I hope you have a lil $$ cause it will be a lil bit until your driving it again.. Rings aren't to bad. Couple hundred tops.
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Looks like the rings are around $100 depending on brand.
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Looks like the rings are around $100 depending on brand.
You will also need more gaskets to. I wouldn't take the chance of reusing them at this point.
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