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Old 07-20-2012, 01:11 PM   #36
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I had oil pressure for about ten seconds then it pretty much went away. I checked the plugs in the rear of the block and they were all there. Also, it is a new block not remanufactured.
Even so, the oil system plugs should have been removed and the oiling passages checked and cleaned. So if it was prepped properly they may have inadvertently left out a plug?


Maybe get you an oil pump primer (you can make one from an old distributor) and using a drill try to pressurize the system without the engine running. That should make it easier to see and possibly hear the issue?


How about the oil return holes in the heads and lifter valley?
They weren't accidently plugged up I hope?
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Old 07-20-2012, 01:15 PM   #37
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The oil return holes looks clear, I've dumped oil down them too and it deains
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You can also make an oil primer with a long 1/4 drive extension and a socket that fits the oil pump shaft. But I would tac them together so you don't lose the socket in the pan when removing it.
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I checked pushrods length again and according to me checker I need 6.2 inch but the stock rods I'm using are 6.25 right? Is that enough to make a difference?

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Should I spin the pump shaft clockwise out counter? If I spin clockwise nothing happens if I spin counter oil shoots out where the pcv would be.
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I checked pushrods length again and according to me checker I need 6.2 inch but the stock rods I'm using are 6.25 right? Is that enough to make a difference?

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Should I spin the pump shaft clockwise out counter? If I spin clockwise nothing happens if I spin counter oil shoots out where the pcv would be.


Yes, it has to spin counterclockwise.
Oil should not shoot out the PCV, There is your problem I believe.
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6.2 is close enough.
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This is where it shoots from when I spin counter clockwise.
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Yes, it has to spin counterclockwise.
Oil should not shoot out the PCV, There is your problem I believe.
How is it coming out the pcv hole, when he's not even into compression?
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I'm using a drill and spinning counter clockwise and oil shoots outta there about two feets above the engine. I also pulled a head and everythin there looks good.
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This is where it shoots from when I spin counter clockwise.
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How is it coming out the pcv hole, when he's not even into compression?
That hole should be plugged. There is your problem for sure.
That is the crossover that feeds oil to the other side of your engine.
The valvetrain noise is because that side wasn't getting oiled at all and the other side didn't have any pressure. Crap like that is exactly why I don't trust anyone else to assemble my engines.
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Using a drill spinning counter clockwise is the correct way. I am just curious how its coming out there. Usually it is caused by "blow by".

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That hole should be plugged. There is your problem for sure.
That is the crossover that feeds oil to the other side of your engine.
The valvetrain noise is because that side wasn't getting oiled at all and the other side didn't have any pressure. Crap like that is exactly why I don't trust anyone else to assemble my engines.
Ohhhh ok. That makes perfect sense. at least we know something solid now.
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OMG! Haha I can't believe but am happy at the same time that, that is the issue

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Any idea of a model or size of the plug so I can go get one?
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OMG! Haha I can't believe but am happy at the same time that, that is the issue

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Any idea of a model or size of the plug so I can go get one?
Measure with calipers or ask for the 302/5.0 oil passage crossover plug. (You may have to buy a freeze plug kit?)
It looks like a small freeze plug. Clean off all of the oil and put a small amount of red Loctite on the plug, then drive it in squarely to the stop.
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Re: Video of my valve train noise

When I build an engine, part of the block prep includes polishing the oil passages and rounding off the sharp edges in that crossover. I also oversize the passage from the oil filter to the oiling passages as much as I can. That coupled with proper oil pump "blueprinting" has easily noticeable effects. My engines always have held really good oil pressure and they have oil pressure almost immediately on start up.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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When I build an engine, part of the block prep includes polishing the oil passages and rounding off the sharp edges in that crossover. I also oversize the passage from the oil filter to the oiling passages as much as I can. That coupled with proper oil pump "blueprinting" has easily noticeable effects. My engines always have held really good oil pressure and they have oil pressure almost immediately on start up.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
I say its a great story.

I would contact the builder and tell them how much of a dbag they are after I kindly ask for the proper plug.
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Lesson learned
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I say its a great story.

I would contact the builder and tell them how much of a dbag they are after I kindly ask for the proper plug.
+1000 I have a very low tolerance for people who do things like that.

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Lesson learned

Sadly, you learned it the same way I did years ago.


I'm just glad you were able to find the issue and it's nothing really serious.
Hopefully there is no damage to bearings or lifters.
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I ruined three lifters but I have an extra set so not the end of the world.
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I ruined three lifters but I have an extra set so not the end of the world.
Inspect them closely and make sure no metal particles got into the oiling system.
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Yay!!!!! That's awesome. Jay will have it running by saturday i bet. Congrats!!!!
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I definitely will! I would have it running in about four hours if I had a head gasket to put on
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That doesn't sound horrible hmmm can the lifters collapse? Idk
Sound like the Cummings diesel I have on my boat . Don't drive that lifter or a valve . Probaly a bent valve
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Lol your a lil late t bone!!
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It's good valves with zero oil
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It's good valves with zero oil
All right!
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Sorry I don't come on much there Are some members I don't care for very much
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Ha yeah understandable
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I'm sure that works both ways. Don't let it bother you. I don't.
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I'm sure that works both ways. Don't let it bother you. I don't.
Exactly.
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Re: Video of my valve train noise

Here's an On3 kit on a stock engine running 12.3's

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Here's an On3 kit on a stock engine running 12.3's

Oh that's garbage though. Lol j/k
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Oh that's garbage though. Lol j/k
Well, it's not good enough for the big city boys or so I've been told.
I guess you can't "drop bank" on the less expensive kits and heaven forbid that you "do it yourself".
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Yeah, he was shopping with someone else's money

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In truth even the piping, clamps and hoses are worth the $1500
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Yeah, he was shopping with someone else's money

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In truth even the piping, clamps and hoses are worth the $1500
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he was clueless and didn't know how to do squat for himself either.
I'd much rather say "I built it" instead of "I had it built by...".

It actually bugs me that my engine shortblock was built by Keith Craft Racing, rather than by myself.
I almost can't wait to tear into it to see how good a job they actually did on it.
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