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Old 09-05-2012, 05:53 PM   #1
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car won't start

I replaced the cap n rotor n the wires w msd products..they are in the right firing order.
I did a smog delete also n removed the egr valve also so idk if removing the egr valve would cause it to not start or not
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Old 09-05-2012, 06:51 PM   #2
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Spark fuel and timing.. Find out if your getting spark? Check your regulator for fuel pressure.. Did you use the H.O firing order? Are your plugs gapped correctly..
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Spark fuel and timing.. Find out if your getting spark? Check your regulator for fuel pressure.. Did you use the H.O firing order? Are your plugs gapped correctly..
Idk...idk there was differ firing orders..u have to gap them?
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Old 09-05-2012, 06:58 PM   #4
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This is the diagram that I found
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Thats the correct firing order. Double check your wires one at a time in order. Starting with 1 then 3 then 7 and so on.
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Spark fuel and timing.. Find out if your getting spark? Check your regulator for fuel pressure.. Did you use the H.O firing order? Are your plugs gapped correctly..
I haven't changed the plugs yet they won't be in until tomorrow but how do I gap them?

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So removing the egr won't keep it from starting?
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get a spark plug gapper from autozone. they are like .99$ it will be shaped like a wedge. just make sure they plugs are around .050-.054 you can use the wedge to open them up if needed. if they are big just lightly it in on a piece of wood to make smaller.
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I haven't changed the plugs yet they won't be in until tomorrow but how do I gap them?
Get a pluggap tool. Plugs usually will come overgapped, tap on ground til they close a little, then slide the tool in til u reach desired gap. I go a little over (.02-.05) more than spec. Extra spark helps imo
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Ok thanks...when we were testing the coil both wires going to it were positive are they suppose to be?
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Get a pluggap tool. Plugs usually will come overgapped, tap on ground til they close a little, then slide the tool in til u reach desired gap. I go a little over (.02-.05) more than spec. Extra spark helps imo
That extra gap can cause a weaker spark which is not good.
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That extra gap can cause a weaker spark which is not good.
+1 and has also been know to cause electrical/charging issues do to over working the ignition system.
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+1 and has also been know to cause electrical/charging issues do to over working the ignition system.
Hmmm.good2 know, need to pass this on to the trackguy that informed me years ago to overgap. (Tho ive never had any issues with a bit of overgap)
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If it doesn't affect you then I wouldnt worry about it. In most cases it probably wouldnt. But just something to be aware of. And most racers that go for the bigger gaps are running full msd/aftermarket ignition systems that help strengthen the spark, which allows to shoot the bigger gap.
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Ok thanks...when we were testing the coil both wires going to it were positive are they suppose to be?
No, the wire on the + side is 12 volts, the wire on the - side goes to the distributor.
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No, the wire on the + side is 12 volts, the wire on the - side goes to the distributor.
Hey trojan would removing the egr keep it from starting?
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Hey trojan would removing the egr keep it from starting?
Removing it won't affect it unless you didn't use a block off plate on the egr spacer. The only thing that should happen after removal is a CEL and there is a fix for that.
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Old 09-06-2012, 04:34 PM   #17
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Removing it won't affect it unless you didn't use a block off plate on the egr spacer. The only thing that should happen after removal is a CEL and there is a fix for that.
Ok yea I blocked it off...I don't have a cel lol

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WE think it's not getting any fuel we can get it to start and run for a sec w starting fluid
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Sounds like you need to get a fuel pressure gauge and check it. Can you hear your pump prime?
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Sounds like you need to get a fuel pressure gauge and check it. Can you hear your pump prime?
Idk I had just woke up when we ****ed w it said **** it n stated working on something else I'll check in the morning

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Sounds like you need to get a fuel pressure gauge and check it. Can you hear your pump prime?
how do I check it with the gauge?
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Idk I had just woke up when we ****ed w it said **** it n stated working on something else I'll check in the morning

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how do I check it with the gauge?
Hook it to the schrader valve on your fuel line and have someone turn the car over.
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:32 PM   #21
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If it's the fuel pump how long n much of a pain in the *** is it
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If it's the fuel pump how long n much of a pain in the *** is it
Took me roughly an hour taking my time. Wasn't really that difficult, just awkward getting the tank out and back in.
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Took me roughly an hour taking my time. Wasn't really that difficult, just awkward getting the tank out and back in.
good cuz I only got a day to get it running hopefully auto store has one in stock if that's what it is
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good cuz I only got a day to get it running hopefully auto store has one in stock if that's what it is
Just don't get a cheaply autozone special if you can help it. Factory replacement or walbro will do fine.
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Just don't get a cheaply autozone special if you can help it. Factory replacement or walbro will do fine.
I get my stuff from O'Reilly wasn't planning on getting a cheap one
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I get my stuff from O'Reilly wasn't planning on getting a cheap one
Just making sure. I would hate for it to go out on you in 6 months
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Just making sure. I would hate for it to go out on you in 6 months
Main thing I'm worried bout is getting it running for the show tomorrow
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We also removed a relay that had a wire from the egr would that effect it?
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Well we found the problem the fuel pump isn't turning on
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I would check the inertia switch and the relay.
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I would check the inertia switch and the relay.
Both gd
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Hope you have less than 1/4 tank. A wobbling gas tank is no fun trying to get in and out.
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Hope you have less than 1/4 tank. A wobbling gas tank is no fun trying to get in and out.
We got the pump to turn on
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We got the pump to turn on
Jumped it out?
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We got the pump to turn on
how did you do that?
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