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Old 09-20-2012, 05:21 PM   #1
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Timing marks off, what gives?

Ok so my balancer seems fine, but the timing marks are way off at tdc so I can't use a timing light. Suggestions?



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This is the balancer, there are no markings of any kind on it except for the timing marks
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So what your saying is when you set #1 cylinder at tdc on compression stroke that your pointer isn't anywhere near 0*?
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That is correct. And it's been a while since I did it but of I remember right they are facing the ground
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If they were facing the ground it sounds like you just weren't on the right stroke. Are you positive you were on the right stroke. To verify pull the #1 plug and put your finger over the hole. When it blows your finger off that is the proper stroke.

Did you put a timing light on it yet to see if it will read timing anywhere on the timing marks?
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Like I said it was a while ago but yea it was on compression. The way I do it is stick a tissue in the #1 cylinder and wait until it blows out. I noticed it first with the short block assembled with the balancer like that. There's no doubting it like that lol
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I'm about to put this back in and then I can mess with it some more
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Like I said it was a while ago but yea it was on compression. The way I do it is stick a tissue in the #1 cylinder and wait until it blows out. I noticed it first with the short block assembled with the balancer like that. There's no doubting it like that lol
I'm not underestimating your knowledge. That's just what it sounded like to me. Lol but sounds like you did it right.

Maybe we'll get some more opinions. Cause I sure am pretty curious.

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I'm about to put this back in and then I can mess with it some more
That's purrty
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Oh for sure I appreciate any opinions because it's baffling me. I should just replace it but I really don't want to since it still works lol

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I'm not underestimating your knowledge. That's just what it sounded like to me. Lol but sounds like you did it right.

Maybe we'll get some more opinions. Cause I sure am pretty curious.

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That's putty!
Putty? Lol
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Oh for sure I appreciate any opinions because it's baffling me. I should just replace it but I really don't want to since it still works lol

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Putty? Lol
what are you talking about i said purrrty? haha

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yeah i also believe in the if it aint broke dont fix it theory
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Haha yea definitely. Oh if u want or know someone that wants the SFI bell housing sitting underneath the tranny in the pic it's for sale lol. I am sick of taking it in and out cuz its heavy :p
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Haha yea definitely. Oh if u want or know someone that wants the SFI bell housing sitting underneath the tranny in the pic it's for sale lol. I am sick of taking it in and out cuz its heavy :p
well, you now have enough posts to post up in the classifieds. get that bad boy listed!
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cool. good luck. hopefully someone bites on it for ya.
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Haha yea definitely. Oh if u want or know someone that wants the SFI bell housing sitting underneath the tranny in the pic it's for sale lol. I am sick of taking it in and out cuz its heavy :p
If you checked it properly like you said, then the outer ring on the balancer has slipped.


P.S. I'll go $25 on that old heavy bell housing.
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Ugh Trojan you're killing my optimism. I really don't want to buy a new one lol. But I suppose it's inevitable.

Ha when I bought that housing it cost like 75 just to ship it!
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Ugh Trojan you're killing my optimism. I really don't want to buy a new one lol. But I suppose it's inevitable.

Ha when I bought that housing it cost like 75 just to ship it!
Sorry, but if you brought it up on #1 cylinder, compression stroke and the pointer wasn't anywhere near the TDC mark on the balancer that's about all it can be.
Grab hold of it if you can and see if it moves in either direction.


P.S. I suppose I could pay the shipping on the bell housing.
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Saw this picture of your timing pointer in dream's thread.




It should look like this below and you read the timing off the top right edge.


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Alright got the tranny in now time to face the inevitable and get a new balancer lol
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Alright got the tranny in now time to face the inevitable and get a new balancer lol
Better safe then sorry ya know!..
I know you're a lil chevy hater but we changed out the stock balancer on the BB even though it still lined up wit tdc. The inner gasket majigy stuff was swollen and cracked and we didn't wanna risk spinnin dat sumuma beyatch and fukin up everything we worked for!.
I think you're makin the wright choice
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Better safe then sorry ya know!..
I know you're a lil chevy hater but we changed out the stock balancer on the BB even though it still lined up wit tdc. The inner gasket majigy stuff was swollen and cracked and we didn't wanna risk spinnin dat sumuma beyatch and fukin up everything we worked for!.
I think you're makin the wright choice
Yea I'll start shopping for one. Anyone have a recommendation of which one to get?
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Yea I'll start shopping for one. Anyone have a recommendation of which one to get?
The best I have found is the (Link>) Innovators West balancer that is for supercharged engines, but they are pricey. Don't forget to check the imbalance on your engine and add the blower hub & dual keyway to the balancer.
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Here are a couple pics of mine of this helps at all.
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Here are a couple pics of mine of this helps at all.
Where's the point of reference? Or the 0 point.
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The best I have found is the (Link>) Innovators West balancer that is for supercharged engines, but they are pricey. Don't forget to check the imbalance on your engine and add the blower hub & dual keyway to the balancer.
Holy ****! That is obsurd lol

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Where's the point of reference? Or the 0 point.
It's above, I really could get a good pic from up top because of the blower. It looks like the pointer that Trojan posted
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Holy ****! That is obsurd lol
Yes, they are quite expensive, but so is damage from a stock one that flies apart while at speed and under boost.


I have seen them throw the outer ring through radiators and up through the hoods on a few cars.
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Yes, they are quite expensive, but so is damage from a stock one that flies apart while at speed and under boost.

I have seen them throw the outer ring through radiators and up through the hoods on a few cars.
Wow never seen that. I spun my first one but the crank pulley kept it in place
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Wow never seen that. I spun my first one but the crank pulley kept it in place
Sometimes they shatter, especially the stock cast iron.
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Those will shatter too if hit hard enough.....or at least they will feel like they did.
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Those will shatter too if hit hard enough.....or at least they will feel like they did.
Well that's a bad day
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Ok so I ordered a new balancer today. Not a 400 dollar one but I think it should do well. Any tips on installing it?
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Ok so I ordered a new balancer today. Not a 400 dollar one but I think it should do well. Any tips on installing it?
removal/install tool makes easy work of it. It also makes sure you install it w/o damaging the balancer or thrust bearing.
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removal/install tool makes easy work of it. It also makes sure you install it w/o damaging the balancer or thrust bearing.
Okay I mean I've Removed one before, and the tool is definitely a must, but my question is that they all come with the spaces for little counterweights. Summit's instructions don't say anything about using them. but how would i know if i need them and where?
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Okay I mean I've Removed one before, and the tool is definitely a must, but my question is that they all come with the spaces for little counterweights. Summit's instructions don't say anything about using them. but how would i know if i need them and where?
I was asking TH a while back about how you would know what weight the HB would need to be, like would the builder of the engine only know? If I remember right, it was the weight of the crankshaft or something like that there, right?
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