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Old 02-19-2013, 09:32 AM   #1
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I have a 88 GT with off road h-pipes. I want to get some headers that will work the best for sound and speed. What do you guys recommend?
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I have a 88 GT with off road h-pipes. I want to get some headers that will work the best for sound and speed. What do you guys recommend?
I'm running BBK equal length headers and love them!! And the price is right, or go with JBA and Bassani for almost triple the price, but i don't know if you'll even notice a performance difference or not!!!
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I'm running BBK equal length headers and love them!! And the price is right, or go with JBA and Bassani for almost triple the price, but i don't know if you'll even notice a performance difference or not!!!
If you're going with shorties, go for unequal length more space, weight and power efficient.
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Would you consider longtubes?
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If you're going with shorties, go for unequal length more space, weight and power efficient.
Actually for the pita that installing shorties are, equal length shorties are more bang, they are more buck.
1. LT's
2. Equal length shorties.
3 Unequal shorties.
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Actually for the pita that installing shorties are, equal length shorties are more bang, they are more buck.
1. LT's
2. Equal length shorties.
3 Unequal shorties.
I would agree with that order. I will also expand on my opinion. The disadvantages of unequal length shorties mainly occurs when using a turbo charger. You need the exhaust temp for each cylinder to be equal so that you're not putting a strain on the turbos, as well as maintaining smoother exhaust pulses.

Advantages of shorties: Cheaper, Lighter, More efficient exhaust path for almost all cylinders, cleaner engine bay.

Please let me know if I am wrong on any points.

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Long tubes are good for exhaust scavenging but are not as good for high flow turbo setups and cause clearance (on lowered cars) issues as well as being more* annoying to install. Price is way higher.
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Long tubes are better for torque and lower rpm, shorts are better for high rpm power, so it kinda depends on what you are going for.
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I was under the impression that long tubes were flat out the best but at the cost of clearance and cost.
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I was under the impression that long tubes were flat out the best but at the cost of clearance and cost.
+5.0 LTs gave me sound AND power boost.
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My car is pretty low, I went with equal lengths mainly because of clearance issues
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I was under the impression that long tubes were flat out the best but at the cost of clearance and cost.
They weigh more and dont breath as well if youre using an adder especially turbo

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My car is pretty low, I went with equal lengths mainly because of clearance issues
All the curves in equals add weight and resistance. They only are really good imo for turbos when you need to have close exhaust gas temps on each cylinder. Sorry for repeating myself but I really want to know if I'm wrong. Speaking of, where has Trojan been ??
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I was thinking the same thing last week, I have seen Trojan on here in awhile!

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They weigh more and dont breath as well if youre using an adder especially turbo
Well you cant run longtubes on a turbo set up, you would need turbo specific headers/manifolds. But longtubes for the win!
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Well you cant run longtubes on a turbo set up, you would need turbo specific headers/manifolds. But longtubes for the win!
Ever heard of custom fabrication
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If shorties were do good, then why do all out drag cars universally use Long tubes?
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If shorties were do good, then why do all out drag cars universally use Long tubes?
Torque= Acceleration

In drag racing Acceleration=Good


Also in some divisions they run just headers so longtubes have a very different effect than shorties in that situation
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Torque= Acceleration

In drag racing Acceleration=Good


Also in some divisions they run just headers so longtubes have a very different effect than shorties in that situation
Ok how about NASCAR? Or dirt track or any other racing field out there?
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Ok how about NASCAR? Or dirt track or any other racing field out there?
And that's my que to stop spouting b-****
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They use longs b/c they are trying to get more power on the ground. As earlier stated...longs will build more low end torque vs shorts. Torque is what gets you moving (duh). I'm not sure about turbo apps, I go au natural.
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I'd like to see any dyno sheet where shorties make more horsepower than long-tubes, all other mods the same. Have fun trying to find one because you won't.

Long tubes give more torque over shorties but don't sacrifice anything other than previous mentioned clearance and cost
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I'd like to see any dyno sheet where shorties make more horsepower than long-tubes, all other mods the same. Have fun trying to find one because you won't.

Long tubes give more torque over shorties but don't sacrifice anything other than previous mentioned clearance and cost
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Best Headers Shootout - Tech Article - Chevy High Performance Magazine


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Your argument is instantly invalid... Those are not shorties... They are mid-length headers...
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Also, this thread is over shorties vs long tubes. Not primary diameter or collector diameter as this is what caused the power differences. You take a 1 5/8 primary shorty header from say bbk and then take a 1 5/8 primary long tube from same company with the same 2.5 collector size, the long tube will make more hands down every time. The link you posted had different tube sizes...
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Also, this thread is over shorties vs long tubes. Not primary diameter or collector diameter as this is what caused the power differences. You take a 1 5/8 primary shorty header from say bbk and then take a 1 5/8 primary long tube from same company with the same 2.5 collector size, the long tube will make more hands down every time. The link you posted had different tube sizes...
Just trying to expand the discussion. Its all relevant
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I'd like to see any dyno sheet where shorties make more horsepower than long-tubes, all other mods the same. Have fun trying to find one because you won't.

Long tubes give more torque over shorties but don't sacrifice anything other than previous mentioned clearance and cost
I agree. The only other thing is they are more of a pita to install. But Long tubes will flow better than shorties all day.
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