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Old 09-07-2013, 08:37 PM   #1
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Hi everyone! Just bought a '97 F4TE 5.8L to drop into my Sunday driver 91GT over this Winter. My goal is about 450 HP NA. Budget... about 2k. I'd really appreciate advice from those of u who have done this swap before as far as what to avoid & the must haves. I'd like to carry over my ped-mount crane cam 1.7 rr so if u know of some heads to fit those onto please suggest. Other than that I'm all open for suggestions please chime in w/ suggestions and or comments. Thanx
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I was going to do the same swap this winter. So I will be watching for answer to.
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Awesome thread Roger. We need to get some of these guys involved. They will be able to tell u everything u need.
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I was going to do the same swap this winter. So I will be watching for answer to.
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Awesome thread Roger. We need to get some of these guys involved. They will be able to tell u everything u need.
Thanx. There are many write-ups w/ helpful info but what really helps is hearing of experiences. We can all learn com each other.

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My 5.8L is complete, minus alternator, from a '97 F250 w/ 140k mi on it. I will be doing a complete teardown & going on from there.
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Holy crap! Lol
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$2k budget? Not even close to what you need even on a super used jy budget build.
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What will give roger the best build Scotty? By that i mean, what brands of internals and anything specific he should know?
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Well first he needs to come back with a number closer to $5k and that's still bare bones all used stuff.
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Well first he needs to come back with a number closer to $5k and that's still bare bones all used stuff.
Yep. 450 hp is going to be damn tough on around 2 grand.
Probably the heads will be the biggest problem...

What are your thoughts on a "long rod" engine for OP Scotty?
I have a "recipe" for one but it requires custom pistons which could be pricey. IDK...
It's been a while since I've even thought about this...If I remember correctly the horsepower came out right around 400...
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Well first he needs to come back with a number closer to $5k and that's still bare bones all used stuff.
+1 my dad put down 450 hp and he has 5k in his with a scat 408 stroker kit afr 185r heads comp cam Harland sharp rockers and a air gap intake
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Ok I wasn't being too realistic on that 2k tag huh? I can increase that number since project will last till about March. I'm taking block in tomorrow to get checked out & possibly bored out some. Is the stock crank something I wanna keep? Water pump: stndrd flow or high flow? Oil pump, water pump, cam, roller rockers, pistons (oversized?), intake manifold, and heads, dizzy, performance radiatorw/ elect. fan all being new.
This is a learning experience for me & I do appreciate ALL THE INPUT.

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$2k budget? Not even close to what you need even on a super used jy budget build.
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Scotty, do u have time to lay out the recipe? In the future, I have the thoughts of doing something like this too. Is this not the route to go? If not, what is?
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Ok I wasn't being too realistic on that 2k tag huh? I can increase that number since project will last till about March. I'm taking block in tomorrow to get checked out & possibly bored out some. Is the stock crank something I wanna keep? Water pump: stndrd flow or high flow? Oil pump, water pump, cam, roller rockers, pistons (oversized?), intake manifold, and heads, dizzy, performance radiatorw/ elect. fan all being new.
This is a learning experience for me & I do appreciate ALL THE INPUT.

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No. Not really.

I was in the Construction business for a long time and I had a rule when writing estimates... Double what you think it's going to cost and you will be a hell of a lot closer to the ACTUAL cost.

If you go to 2300turboford's YouTube channel, Bullitt4571, you can hear the engine that he described above in his dad's Mach 1...

Sounds like music to your ears...
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No. Not really.

I was in the Construction business for a long time and I had a rule when writing estimates... Double what you think it's going to cost and you will be a hell of a lot closer to the ACTUAL cost.

If you go to 2300turboford's YouTube channel, Bullitt4571, you can hear the engine that he described above in his dad's Mach 1...

Sounds like music to your ears...
Cool will do! thought it was funny that I thought it could be done w/ about 2k.
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Cool will do! thought it was funny that I thought it could be done w/ about 2k.
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Ok I wasn't being too realistic on that 2k tag huh? I can increase that number since project will last till about March. I'm taking block in tomorrow to get checked out & possibly bored out some. Is the stock crank something I wanna keep? Water pump: stndrd flow or high flow? Oil pump, water pump, cam, roller rockers, pistons (oversized?), intake manifold, and heads, dizzy, performance radiatorw/ elect. fan all being new.
This is a learning experience for me & I do appreciate ALL THE INPUT.

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Make sure your shop pulls ALL the cam bearings and checks under there for cracks and any issues. 351 rollers are well known for having cracks under there and yahoo shops don't always pull those bearings and check for whatever reason. As was stated you are going to be in for it for at LEAST $5k. If you are having a shop do the labor, double that to $10k. I would not re-use any stock parts. Get with FordStrokers.com 331-347-408-418-427 Custom Built Small Block Ford Engines and get a rotating assembly. ADperformance and CHP are two others that are very good.

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Scotty, do u have time to lay out the recipe? In the future, I have the thoughts of doing something like this too. Is this not the route to go? If not, what is?
Yeah, 408w, all forged, whatever compression you want to run. MINIMUM 185cc heads, I'd personally go 205cc, custom ground cam and your choice of intake. Again, if you get with one of the builders I listed you'll get a spec'd out combo for whatever you want to make. Avoid any and all ebay parts or cheap crap for your built motor. ARP head studs, good Romac balancer, OEM water pump at the very least etc... Also avoid MSD products. They are the FRAM of the ignition world.
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Cool, Scotty. I did read bout cracks under cam bearings. I like that 408 recipe but 1st things 1st... wait 2 c how block checks out.
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That Mach1 sounds wicked
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It's possible to build a 351 on a 2000 budget. Considering you have a complete engine. Get a rebuild kit for about $1000.
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It's possible to build a 351 on a 2000 budget. Considering you have a complete engine. Get a rebuild kit for about $1000.
Not 450 hp my friend...
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Not 450 hp my friend...
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It's possible to build a 351 on a 2000 budget. Considering you have a complete engine. Get a rebuild kit for about $1000.
Um no... No it isn't.
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Scotty, would he be better off to just buy a crate engine? Scrap the 351?
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Scotty, would he be better off to just buy a crate engine? Scrap the 351?
Depends on his level of skill at putting a motor together honestly. One can DIY it cheaper but you pay the premium for the expertise and peace of mind. His block could very well have cracks under the cam bearings like so many of them do or it could be 100% fine. It will still need to be taken .030 over though.
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Haven't heard back from the machine shop yet. I'm leaning towards building a 393... but gotta get the word on the block condition. What are your thoughts on a 393, Scotty? I'm a have shop do the bottom end& I'll finish it off.
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No reason at all to do a 393 over a 408.
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I like your thinking Scotty 408 it is. Just got word back from local machinist & my block checked out good w/o cracks Only problem is I spent engine funds on a down payment for a new car. It'll be a month till I can come up w/ $1.5k for Scat stroker kit from CHP...
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My new car '12 Sonata in background. Maybe I should sell my Monte 2 come up w/ funds for my engine... huh...

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Hi everyone! Just bought a '97 F4TE 5.8L to drop into my Sunday driver 91GT over this Winter. My goal is about 450 HP NA. Budget... about 2k. I'd really appreciate advice from those of u who have done this swap before as far as what to avoid & the must haves. I'd like to carry over my ped-mount crane cam 1.7 rr so if u know of some heads to fit those onto please suggest. Other than that I'm all open for suggestions please chime in w/ suggestions and or comments. Thanx
My brother is getting 420 HP and 470 tq in his 92 GT vert if I remember right he had his stock 302 reinforced the then machine over to a 306 later he put aluminum heads a trickflow intake a b303 cam and a praxton prochager running 8 pounds of boost I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot but these are what I remember ill ask him and report back
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