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Old 09-17-2013, 06:17 PM   #1
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I have a 94 mustang gt with bolt ons. It has a grocery list of mods. 306 ci engine, cold air intake, underdrive pulleys, fluid dampner harmonic balancer, true GT40 cast iron heads, smog delete, off road H-pipe with Flowmaster 40's with 2.5" tailpipes and 3" rolled edge tips out the back. T5 5spd with full clutch cable kit and stage 2 clutch, new u-joints in the driveshaft, fully rebuilt rear end with ford racing 3.73 gears. Car is rolling on 18x9" & 18x10.5" silver FR500 wheels with newer tires (6 months old with no burn outs), brakes done about the same time, red painted calipers, car is lowered 1.5" all around.

I have a crane cam to install as well as 24lb. Injectors. Should I also get a bama performance chip and install?
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Powermax 2031. I think the lift is 513-529.
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Once that can goes in. It's time for a custom chip. Assuming your car is built
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Ok. Is bama a good choice or should I use something else?
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It's a good choice also play with the fuel pressure. Talking from experienced
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It's a good choice also play with the fuel pressure. Talking from experienced
No it isn't seeing as they don't tune for cams...

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Ok. Is bama a good choice or should I use something else?
No, get a custom dyno tune from a local speed shop where they have you hooked to a wideband and dial you in just right. Also make sure you do the whole pushrod length checking thing when you do the cam and check PTV clearance as well. Hope you know if you'll have enough radial clearance...

Honestly I would not mess with a cam, just prep/save up for a Vortech S trim and call it a day.
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Old 09-19-2013, 08:37 AM   #9
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I agree with installing the s trim. But it's no fun. The fun is trying to find a good combo then slapping the s trim on it

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I installed a crane can and had surging issues car stalled ran rich poor gas milage. Tune and fuel pressure fixed her right up
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I agree with installing the s trim. But it's no fun. The fun is trying to find a good combo then slapping the s trim on it

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I installed a crane can and had surging issues car stalled ran rich poor gas milage. Tune and fuel pressure fixed her right up
You can go ahead and "find a good combo" and then supercharge it for double or triple the cash vs just the supercharger which will still come near block splitting power. Save the "combos" for aftermarket blocks or 351s or specific classes that don't let you use a supercharger.

This mentality is what makes me laugh more than anything in the 5.0 world. Dudes spending all this money on HCI/forged assemblies etc..., tuned to 350whp and dude who spent half the money on a S trim is making 400whp and getting 20mpg to and from the track with the AC on.
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You can go ahead and "find a good combo" and then supercharge it for double or triple the cash vs just the supercharger which will still come near block splitting power. Save the "combos" for aftermarket blocks or 351s or specific classes that don't let you use a supercharger.

This mentality is what makes me laugh more than anything in the 5.0 world. Dudes spending all this money on HCI/forged assemblies etc..., tuned to 350whp and dude who spent half the money on a S trim is making 400whp and getting 20mpg to and from the track with the AC on.
+1! I've seen it in action. Guy with who knows how much invested in H/C/I getting pulled on by a guy with explorer heads and intake and a vortec or Paxton pushing 5-6psi.
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I agree with both of you guys. No doubt. A 351 will be a good build if you find a complete engine. And if you have a 5.0 do a cheap gt 40 set up and super charger it.

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U guys say stick with the stock cam. But what I want that aggressive idle along with boost?
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There is just something about an all motor car that is awesome though, making almost as much power as a guy with a supercharger, except you are NA
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+1 I agree with you soccer
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There is just something about an all motor car that is awesome though, making almost as much power as a guy with a supercharger, except you are NA
Nothing is awesome about making almost as much power. Seeing tail lights sucks and you'll likely spend more money than the guy with the blower.

When I was young and didn't know any better I spent $3k or so on a hci and made 300whp. I could have spent that same money and made 400+ and kept 24mpg to boot if I had gone with the blower.
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I was always told not to put a blower on something stock.is this not true?
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I was always told not to put a blower on something stock.is this not true?
If they're talking about the stock motor they are full of ****. You should obviously do the bolt ons first but that is true in any case.
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I was always told not to put a blower on something stock.is this not true?
Those are usually the guys who we're pushing 10+ psi on stock internals and made a nice soup in the oil pan. As long as you stick with 5-6 psi on stock internals you "should" be fine. IMO with any power adder, a lot of reliability is in the tune. It also pays to do your research and know the limits of your stock internals. As long as your tune is good and your power is within the limits of the stock block and internals supercharging a "stock" engine isn't a problem.
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I just look at it like this.the air will only force as much as the heads and intake will allow and why do it on stock manifold?im not a mechanic but to me I would think doing heads and intake would be more efficient when putting on blower.just seems to be going backwards when you put it on stock parts.but like I said I'm no mechanic
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This is the logic. If you boost the stock 5'0 you can produce 450 hp which is the boarder line for some 5.0 blocks. Afr heads with street burner intake nice can with supporting mods 8psi of boost will be alot of stress for the stock block imo.
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I just look at it like this.the air will only force as much as the heads and intake will allow and why do it on stock manifold?im not a mechanic but to me I would think doing heads and intake would be more efficient when putting on blower.just seems to be going backwards when you put it on stock parts.but like I said I'm no mechanic
Because you can get around 400whp on the stock parts with a vortech that's why. Going much past 450 on the stock block is where it begins to get dicey and why I laugh at the ppl doing forged strokers on stock 302 blocks and then looking at power adders. Good job putting $2000 worth of parts in a glass jaw block. That's like the dudes who put $4000 rims on a $1500 beater.

Again, if you want an amazing street motor that can get near the limits of the stock block, retain stock drivability/gas mileage, and not cost an arm and a leg... Stock motor, get a set of gt40 heads out of a jy for $200, clean them up with new springs for another $200-$300, $150 for the explorer intake, figure another $500 for gaskets/hardware/incidentals and then you can do a Vortech for $1500-$2000 including the fuel. If anyone can come up with another way to hit 400-450whp for that money I'd love to hear it (nitrous doesn't count).

Obviously all these prices are doing it yourself, the car will need other supporting mods and a dyno tune but this is the case with any combo.
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You will definitely get better power numbers from the supercharger with other supporting mods. We are talking about comparison and the stock bottom end limit. Why spend lots of money on the top end when the end result will net you less HP than a GT40 combo and a supercharger, especially when the GT40 supercharged combo can produce more power than the stock bottom end can take.
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Scotty beat me to it.
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