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Old 12-22-2013, 06:20 PM   #1
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Looking for 400/400 dd street fox. What would be most efficient and reliable combo with reasonable budget, $5k? Should I go with a 302 stroker, a 351, supercharge a 302, or turbo a 302? Trying to avoid NOS. this is for 86 fox. Probably will put this motor in another stang for my son after I get the bug for more power, so I'm not looking to go beyond the 400/400 mark on this motor. Appreciate the info.
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400 hp is possible but i rarely see 400tq. Gt 40 build with vortech supercharger will yield about 380hp to 425hp.

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Victor intake = 370hp to about maybe 410hp with supporting mods.
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Looking for 400/400 dd street fox. What would be most efficient and reliable combo with reasonable budget, $5k? Should I go with a 302 stroker, a 351, supercharge a 302, or turbo a 302? Trying to avoid NOS. this is for 86 fox. Probably will put this motor in another stang for my son after I get the bug for more power, so I'm not looking to go beyond the 400/400 mark on this motor. Appreciate the info.
First double your budget.
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U saying it can't be built for $5k?

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Ok, budget is doubled, but then there's nothing left for restoration...so, now what?
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If we are talking about just the motor and you do all the work yourself it can be done. However if you are going to do restored work that gets expensive QUICK especially a good paint job.

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400+ hp can be made with $5000 easily. Block refreshed $600 cam $300 heads $1300 gaskets $100 efi intake $700 stroker kit $1200. $800 should get all the misc parts and mod. Depending if you go carb or efi
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400+ hp can be made with $5000 easily. Block refreshed $600 cam $300 heads $1300 gaskets $100 efi intake $700 stroker kit $1200. $800 should get all the misc parts and mod. Depending if you go carb or efi
Its posts like this that misled me a ton back when I was 19 yrs old with my first fox. You've never built a motor have you?
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Let me reiterate, looking for most reliable build for daily driving 400 power range? Lets ignore parts and cost for time being...my main issue is what type short block you think would produce best results. 302, 302 stroked, 351, 351 stroked, mod motor?
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Its posts like this that misled me a ton back when I was 19 yrs old with my first fox. You've never built a motor have you?
Numbers dont lie. Now if he said he wanted an 11 or 12 second 400hp car. Yes then he may have to double his budget.

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Numbers dont lie. Now if he said he wanted an 11 or 12 second 400hp car. Yes then he may have to double his budget.
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This set up gave my somebody 390 to the crank. I installed bigger afr heads 331 stroker kit and underdrive pullies. Over 400hp to the crank and i didnt spend over 5k
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So you would recommend a 331 stroker as the affordable 400 street motor...if I'm reading this right. I prefer to stay n/a, but would it be better to do a supercharger or turbo to achieve that goal and retain daily driver suitability? Or would staying n/a be better?
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So you would recommend a 331 stroker as the affordable 400 street motor...if I'm reading this right. I prefer to stay n/a, but would it be better to do a supercharger or turbo to achieve that goal and retain daily driver suitability? Or would staying n/a be better?
Supercharger 302 will get you there no problem
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Numbers dont lie. Now if he said he wanted an 11 or 12 second 400hp car. Yes then he may have to double his budget.

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Edelbrock RPM Heads
Edelbrock Performer intake ported & polished
TrickFlow stage 1 cam
Trickflow 1 inch intake spacer to clear valve covers
1.7 rocker arms
30lb injectors
SCT 90mm MAF
75mm throttle Body.
This set up gave my somebody 390 to the crank. I installed bigger afr heads 331 stroker kit and underdrive pullies. Over 400hp to the crank and i didnt spend over 5k
I had a VERY similar combo on a budget rebuilt 302 except I had dome pistons running near 11:1 and was right around 300whp. Maybe that 331 you made was close but a good 331 should be over 400 rwhp. But you don't just "install" a stroker kit either, that's a total teardown/rebuild... And putting a forged stroker in a stock block = What were the actual WHP numbers those combos made?

For a reliable start it up and drive anywhere 400whp combo including the rest of the driveline/chassis you are going to be $10k minimum if you do it right.

To answer the OP's question, it all depends on what you want to do. A lower mileage 302 is a great candidate for a S trim supercharger in addition to a basic GT40 head/intake/stock cam combo to get you to 400whp and that can be a dead nuts reliable setup with stock street manners/gas mileage when you keep it out of boost. If you want NA go 408 stroker all the way. It will not even need to be breaking a sweat to hit 400whp or even 500whp and setup properly they can be very tame on the street. And when you are looking at NA strokers, a 351 based build is hardly any more expensive than a 302 based one.
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It all depends on what you want out of your car. Honestly ive invested about $8k in my car. $5k on my motor $1k rebuilding my gear box and the rest in the chassis. I have friends with 500 hp motor and all they do is spin tires. Its a fun car for them but it will not win to many races. Its easy to build a 500 hp motor the hard part is putting it all to the ground
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So I guess no rwhp numbers from the combos. That eddy HCI was likely in the 290-310rwhp range.
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