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Old 01-31-2014, 08:59 AM   #36
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How much power you think I could push before blowing it up ?
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How much power you think I could push before blowing it up ?
The magic question. Its a grey area and you'll hear all sorts of different opinions. Everyone on the interwebs "knows a guy who made 500hp for years" on the stock block. IRL I would not push it much past 450-475 and that's with a REALLY good tune. Even if these stock blocks are holding together at 500+whp I guarandamntee when they are torn down there will be evidence of capwalk.

Personally I'd find a wrecked 87-93 fox as a donor car, swap to EFI and swap in the 8.8, trans and all the updated 87-93 stuff (except the 4 eye front, that should stay).

Then, if I was doing a stock 302 build I would:

-GT40 exploder motor
-Pull heads, get a valvejob, EGR bumps ground down, new springs, Fel Pro 9333 headgaskets and ARP studs
-Used TFS1 for $100 on the corral
-New hardened 1 piece pushrods for said cam
-Roller rockers
-All the "bolt ons"
-Fuel system
-Vortech S trim

In all honesty I don't think the motor is going to be the biggest expense to get into the 10s reliably, it's going to be the driveline and suspension.
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What trucks came with the GT40 motor ? Or where could I find a set?

Junkyard?

I've seen gt40p heads on craigslist


I might just do the route ..
Would be nice to have a blower ya know
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All the 5.0 explorers have GT40 motors.
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Old 01-31-2014, 09:42 AM   #40
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^That's hot. Any reason he went with the small heads and a G-force over an Astro? 185s are choking that motor and the Astro gearset is stronger espeically behind a 408!

At any event, I now have a semi from watching that video. Its ALWAYS awesome to see an older "brick" of a muscle car going fast as hell and that thing has way more in it.



Damn, nice. A 428 CJ?

I still kind of think I'd be building a "aluminator" Teksid for the Mach but a fast 4 eye fox is awesome. I know the Mach is a DD, that's why you build the motor on the side.

He built that motor 5 years ago and he really regrets not going with 205s but back then he didn't think it would run that good ..it was originally built for a factory 5 cobra but he found the 69 and he bought the gforce for 700$ from a guy who switched to a powerglide and he has some 3:70s and is gonna get bigger slicks but his suspension is set up for handling it has the shealby control arm drop adco sway bars cut factory springs shocks billet specialties wheels with 315s in the back and 245s up front and shealby style subframe connectors and rack am pinion steering from a grand am and more I just can't think of any right now
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I've drove it about 5-6 times and it scares the hell out of me ..he's eventually gonna supercharge it
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**** a Gforce for $700??? Wow... you guys SURE its a G-force lol.

But yeah that thing sounds like a beast. More and more I kind of want to start looking at a classic Mustang to garage as my 98 becomes the DD. Like... my 98 GT is super nice and looks damn near new but its still just a 98 GT. I could live with it sitting in the driveway if a 1969 fastback was in the garage...

I now hate you for posting that video...
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**** a Gforce for $700??? Wow... you guys SURE its a G-force lol.

But yeah that thing sounds like a beast. More and more I kind of want to start looking at a classic Mustang to garage as my 98 becomes the DD. Like... my 98 GT is super nice and looks damn near new but its still just a 98 GT. I could live with it sitting in the driveway if a 1969 fastback was in the garage...

I now hate you for posting that video...

Lol and yes we're 100 percent sure it's a gforce here in next year it's gonna get painted Indian fire red and getting air conditioning
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What would I need to convert to a efi ?

It's carb already ..
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The magic question. Its a grey area and you'll hear all sorts of different opinions. Everyone on the interwebs "knows a guy who made 500hp for years" on the stock block. IRL I would not push it much past 450-475 and that's with a REALLY good tune. Even if these stock blocks are holding together at 500+whp I guarandamntee when they are torn down there will be evidence of capwalk.

Personally I'd find a wrecked 87-93 fox as a donor car, swap to EFI and swap in the 8.8, trans and all the updated 87-93 stuff (except the 4 eye front, that should stay).

Then, if I was doing a stock 302 build I would:

-GT40 exploder motor
-Pull heads, get a valvejob, EGR bumps ground down, new springs, Fel Pro 9333 headgaskets and ARP studs
-Used TFS1 for $100 on the corral
-New hardened 1 piece pushrods for said cam
-Roller rockers
-All the "bolt ons"
-Fuel system
-Vortech S trim

In all honesty I don't think the motor is going to be the biggest expense to get into the 10s reliably, it's going to be the driveline and suspension.
Lol I swear you post this info nearly three times a week
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lol i swear you post this info nearly three times a week
he has it saved in his notepad, copy&paste!!!!!!:d
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Old 01-31-2014, 12:24 PM   #47
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What would I need to convert to a efi ?

It's carb already ..
Thanks
Donor car would be the easiest way. Failing that, full harness from a EFI car, A9L, MAF etc... etc... You can stay carb though, you'd just have to get a setup to properly supercharge it. Or just spray it...

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Lol I swear you post this info nearly three times a week
Lol probably, its the best bang for the buck combo that exists for the Mustang IMO. Under $1k for the motor and that includes the cleanup, $1500-$2000 for a used S trim kit, $500 for fuel system, 450whp.

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he has it saved in his notepad, copy&paste!!!!!!:d
I don't but that is a very good idea.
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Old 01-31-2014, 12:32 PM   #48
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If I stay with the 5.0 what kind of compression / stroker do you recommend?

Like a high compression motor?

331? 347?

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For nitrous ..
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Nitrous? Depends if you are using 110 or 93. I'm not a huge nitrous person so I would not be totally ok answering that, I'm sure I could info recycle from teh google but you can look that up. I ran almost 11:1 in my 95 with the HCI on 93 octane no problem though. IIRC 12:1 is about as high as you want to go for 93 octane, maybe a little less to be safe. I know 11.5:1 is fine for NA on 93.

But again, no idea why you are doing a 302 based build instead of 351 when you are going from scratch. Its seriously like saying you want the chicken instead of the steak when the steak is only a few bucks more.


























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Slow4V, in all honesty I think you should hit up a bigger forum like the Corral or wherever and start looking at some build threads and see what other ppl are doing. Seems like you are bouncing all over the place and that's not a good time to make a purchase IMO. I'd take a bit to find out what you really want to do with it.

I've told you what I would do but that's me and you might want something different. I would still advise against putting any sort of stroker kit in a stock 302 block.
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Old 01-31-2014, 12:50 PM   #51
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How about this..

What about a 4.6 4V ..

I see a teskid block for sale ..
My uncle is putting stage 2 heads on his 01 cobra .. And taking his C heads off

What if I Get them both rebuilt ..

But wouldn't I need a crap load of electronics ? And what not
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Plenty of carb'd 4Vs out there. Nitrous Teksid 4V would be nasty but getting a set of C heads fully gone through can get pricey. Also the 01 C heads are 4 thread spark plugs. If you are running a lot of spray/boost you will want to get them time-serted.

Beauty of the Mustang world, pretty much everything is compatible with everything. Coyote motors are starting to become more and more available as well, you could calculate how much $$ you are going to spend on a build and then bump it against a pullout 5.0 motor.
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My worry with a 99+ motor setup is the wiring .. Idk what id need and where to get it
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Thought you were buying a Vette?
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Old 01-31-2014, 03:13 PM   #55
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No vettes in my area , and if they are they are anywhere from 40-70,000
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Well, most obvious question, what sort of budget are you working on?
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Well I just ordered the 347 stroker kit ( forged, 30 over, H beam )
Came with harmonic balancer and flexplate too

Also ordered ford 31 spline diff carrier ,
Moser 31 spline axles

Strange axles C clip eliminators
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Well I just ordered the 347 stroker kit ( forged, 30 over, H beam )
Came with harmonic balancer and flexplate too

Also ordered ford 31 spline diff carrier ,
Moser 31 spline axles

Strange axles C clip eliminators

Wow the rate your going you'll have her finished up in no time...
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Where'd you get it from and what brand is it? A well done 347 should make in the 400whp ballpark, maybe higher.
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I still need heads , manifold , carb, cam, ignition box , disb, etc. lol long way to go

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Would I be able to spray on this setup?
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Would I be able to spray on this setup?
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Would I be able to spray on this setup?
You're putting this in the stock 302 block aren't you?
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Mexican blocks are a little stronger, might be able to get away with a 100-125 shot assuming you will be making 400whp out of the 347. I still would not stress it much over 500 and that will be with it REALLY dialed in.
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We'll you guys are going to laugh
But I cancelled my 347 stroker order and ordering a 408'stroker kit

Checking out a 90s 351w long block today at a machine shop for 175$$
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Anyone recommend any heads , cam , intake , carb , transmission ?
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But I cancelled my 347 stroker order and ordering a 408'stroker kit

Checking out a 90s 351w long block today at a machine shop for 175$$
Make sure the serial starts with F4 or newer. F means 90s and the 4 is the year so 1994. 1994 is when the 351 blocks became "roller ready".
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