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Old 10-10-2014, 06:44 PM   #1
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What kind of cars can a Fox beat?

To be more precise... What kind of cars would a 310hp Fox beat in a race against stock top of the line cars.. Maybe such as Evo's, Srt4, Hemi Chargers and etc.


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What kind of Mods did you do to get 310 H.P. ? A Stock Fox is only about 205-215 H.P.
310 is pretty nice in a Fox. 310 is about what I had on my build for my 94 & that was with a E303 Cam, GT40 Heads & Intake, R.R.'s, 24# Injectors, 75mm Throttle Body, Headers, Upgraded Exhaust, CAI & a few other little things.
It still wasn't enough to satisfy me though so I sold the car & the Motor & I'm getting a 08 GT the 1st week of November. Can't wait......I'd get it sooner but in order to get my payments where I want them I have to put $5K down so I have to get another $1K together to do it. I'll have that $1K on the 7th so I'll get my car that weekend.
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Cool, you have a pretty nice goal there. I hope you get your new Mustang soon! Anyways I actually bought the car like this. He said it was dyno'd at 310... Tho ive never actually checked it myself... It has the same e303 cam, holley fuel pump, holley carburetor, msd distributor ignition starter and etc. Trickflow manifold bbk headers 4.10 gears and maybe some other light mods. I have the ported gt40 heads and a t5 tranny... But those are not installed in the car


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Sounds like you're getting close to the 310 mark. With the Heads on it I'm sure it would be there. Nice build either way !!! I'm not sure what all it will beat. In the Phx. area I hear alot about the Honda's , Mitsubishi's, etc. always trying to beat the Foxes...but they almost always lose.
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What kind of Mods did you do to get 310 H.P. ? A Stock Fox is only about 205-215 H.P.
310 is pretty nice in a Fox. 310 is about what I had on my build for my 94 & that was with a E303 Cam, GT40 Heads & Intake, R.R.'s, 24# Injectors, 75mm Throttle Body, Headers, Upgraded Exhaust, CAI & a few other little things.
It still wasn't enough to satisfy me though so I sold the car & the Motor & I'm getting a 08 GT the 1st week of November. Can't wait......I'd get it sooner but in order to get my payments where I want them I have to put $5K down so I have to get another $1K together to do it. I'll have that $1K on the 7th so I'll get my car that weekend.
Why are you getting a 3v especially since your financing it? Why not a 11

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The 08 isn't set in stone yet...It's just the best I found so far for $5K down & $300 per mo.
Not sure what I'd have to put down on an 11 to keep the payments at about $300 per mo.
I already have a $374 per mo. car payment on my wife's car so trying to keep my payment
in the $300 range so I know I can afford it. Even an 08 is a Step Up from a 94 so if that's all I can afford...I'll be happy.
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The 08 isn't set in stone yet...It's just the best I found so far for $5K down & $300 per mo.
Not sure what I'd have to put down on an 11 to keep the payments at about $300 per mo.
I already have a $374 per mo. car payment on my wife's car so trying to keep my payment
in the $300 range so I know I can afford it. Even an 08 is a Step Up from a 94 so if that's all I can afford...I'll be happy.
True, it will be hard to find a decent 11 and get it down that much. The 3v will be a fun street car with cams and exhaust

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OP with stock heads she won't be much of a street burner sorry to tell ya.


With ported GT40's (depends on who did it) it should put to the wheels anywhere from 260 or 270. A lot more goes into these dyno numbers.


Now what can you beat....well I hope you got some tires and suspension as with 4:10 you will be lighting them tires up real quick.
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Oh ok. I thought it would be somewhere around the 300 mark. I guess I wont know til I install the heads and take it to the dyno. Thanks for the input dudes!


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I was talking to the wheels of course.


Also remember a dyno is a good tuning tool as a lot of factors can sway the numbers.
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Have you ever installed heads before?


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Not Hard to install them. Disconnect Lower Intake & all Lines Connected to it. Pull the Distributor...but mark it so you put it back in the same way. Remove Intake. Disconnect Headers. Remove the 10 Bolts that hold the Head on. Remove the Head...May have to pry it loose with a Screwdriver or smack it with a Rubber Mallet to get it loose.
That's pretty much it.
You're installing GT40's ??? Not sure if Fox Bodies have the Smog Pump Lines Running to the back side of the Heads on the Stock Heads. 94 & 95 5.0's do. GT40 Heads don't have the Hook Up for those Lines. You have 2 options. Delete the Smog Pump ... which means you also have to delete your cats as there will be no air going to them to cool them. Or you can bend the lines a little & attach each one to the back of the GT 40 Heads just to make it look hooked up. Then you still have air going to your cats. The Air to the Heads isn't really needed anyway. Still able to pass emissions also. I just did this swap recently & found all this out 1 problem at a time so you got a good start on knowing what you have to do to install the heads.
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Cool thanks HellishHorse! So the smog pump shouldnt be and issue since its already deleted? Ac is deleted too


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Actually makes things a lot easier for you.
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Cool. How many days did it take you to swap the heads?


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Cool. How many days did it take you to swap the heads?


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You can swap heads in a day. But if you have GT40s, don't. Just get a supercharger.

Also there is 0 way in hell a ported GT40/e cammed motor made 310 to the wheels. It might be a guesstimated 310 flywheel hp which would be pretty accurate. I'd say you are in the 280-290 range if the heads are ported well. I have seen people break the 300whp mark with ported GT40s and a custom cam/longtubes/all supporting mods. If unported or ****tily ported... maybe 265-270. This is assuming the guy actually got the car properly dyno tuned.

Now... there is also a lot more to it all than just dyno numbers. Suspension, driver, weight and all that makes a big difference. You'll have cars making big numbers that can't even get out of their own way because they are on stock suspension/wheels/tires and then see a bolt on Fox with stock heads/cam/intake running 12s because the owner dropped weight, did suspension and set the car up properly. Foxes have the benefit of being light, really light. A notch with some real basic weight removal is a 3000lb car.
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Old 10-17-2014, 01:48 PM   #18
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My car already is a lil lighter cause the Ac and smog pump are deleted. Also mine is a notch with a plastic cowl hood. I want to swap the heads since the gt40's I have already came with dual valvesprings.. I just dont know if i need to get different pushrods or whatever. Dont want to be carless for 2 long you know.


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Please elaborate on this plastic hood.
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Old 10-24-2014, 09:58 PM   #20
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Well theres nothing special about it. Its all the same just made of plastic instead of steel


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Plastic hood wow I've never seen one before...Got some pictures of that plastic hood, would like to see them ?
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I guess the question ends here.. You dont have to patronize me.. Its my first muscle car/mustang and Im just trying to get answers from other people who are experienced with these cars


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Seems like they're just joking with you about the "PLASTIC" Hood. As far as I know...there's no such thing.....It's FIBERGLASS . Look up Cervini's or TRU-Fiber Hoods & you'll see what I mean.
Did you get your Heads on yet ?
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No I havent. Can I use the same pushrods?


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You always have to measure for correct pushrod length. Always. Adjustable checking pushrod, solid checking lifter, old, already compressed HG and a sharpie. Anyone telling you you don't need to or that they can tell you the right length is lying/trying to sell you something.

And yes, we are joking about the plastic hood. There is no such thing. It's either composite/fiberglass/whatever but it sure as hell is not plastic. If someone IS selling a molded plastic hood they should be brought up on attempted manslaughter charges.
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I guess the question ends here.. You dont have to patronize me.. Its my first muscle car/mustang and Im just trying to get answers from other people who are experienced with these cars


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Like Scotty said always measure cause you never know. Plus this is something you want done right so there is no slap, helps with hp, spring life, and a ton of other things.


Plus this forum is pretty mild so you will have to get just a little tougher.
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Well I know its not fiberglass.... But anyways.. I was recommended some hardened pushrods. But I guess ill have to get a pushrod measuring tool before I buy some right


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Well yeah you need to know what the correct length is before you order said hardened pushrods. And either buy or make a solid checking lifter, you can't just use one of the hydraulic ones in there because they'll compress when you spin the motor over and give you a wildy inaccurate reading.
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