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Old 01-21-2015, 12:45 PM   #1
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Ceramic headers vs stainless headers?

Looking to get a new set of headers for my ford 302. What's the difference between them and pros and cons of these?


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Ceramic is more expensive, but runs cooler and won't rust like non-ceramic will. I believe they will always keep looking good. I would spend the extra for ceramic if I were in the market to buy.


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Yes, i see that ceramics are a little more than stainless. I'm going to order a set today along with some aluminum fabricated valve covers. Thanks grabber blue!


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Yes, i see that ceramics are a little more than stainless. I'm going to order a set today along with some aluminum fabricated valve covers. Thanks grabber blue!


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Looking to get a new set of headers for my ford 302. What's the difference between them and pros and cons of these?


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Hey Haav,

Great question!

Ceramic coating is designed to protect the headers. It prevents rust, damage, and allows the headers to last much longer.

A regular header and a ceramic coated header will perform exactly the same. The only difference is that the ceramic coated header will out last the stainless header by a while!

Which headers are you looking at?

Hope this helps and let me know if you have any questions!

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If you're looking for Headers for a fox-body, there is little to no gain from shorty headers. Back in 1990 when I had my GT, I had the shorty's initially, and swapped to Hooker long tubes, and gained the most from the longtubes. Don't waste your money on shorties.
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Old 01-22-2015, 02:53 PM   #8
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Long tubes is the way to go specially if ur going to have custom exhaust.
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Long tubes huh? Any recommended brands for my 5.0?


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Old 01-22-2015, 06:14 PM   #10
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MAC are affordable and get the job done.
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What about these? They have no name but they look ok don't ya think?Click image for larger version

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What about these? They have no name but they look ok don't ya think?Attachment 174036


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I wouldnt skimp on headers, keep in mind you get what you pay for, when you skimp, those look like cheap short life headers.

Here is where I would be, if I was doing a fox build again:
BBK Ceramic Coated Long Tube Mustang Headers 1-5/8in 15160 (79-93 5.0L - Manual) - Free Shipping
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All the top companies come in raw stainless just saying.

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I wouldnt skimp on headers, keep in mind you get what you pay for, when you skimp, those look like cheap short life headers.



Here is where I would be, if I was doing a fox build again:

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You're right, I'm gonna go ahead and save up for those long tubes from AM. Don't want to have problems in the long run. Thanks.


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Yea does would probably be a pain in the *** to install


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I suggest going on AmericanMuscle.com> exhaust> (your year)> then scroll to the bottom of the page, they will have a link with something like "what headers should i put on my mustang?". They have a very detailed and easily understanding explaination behind the difference in header type, and which brands to go with for which sounds you want. They also explain the difference between long tube, and shorty headers. These guys summed it up for you but if you'd like a highly detailed explaination, see AmericanMuscle.com


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Jesus H Christ info recyclers...


1 - Shorties DEFINITELY pick up power on the pushrods. The ppl in this forum telling you shorties don't probably read that in the modular forums where it is true. It is not in pushrod 5.0 land. Stock pushrod headers are 1 and 1/2 primaries AND they are crimped for easy bolt access which necks them down to around 1". Even the ****tiest aftermarket shorties are going to be 1 and 5/8 and not crimped.


2 - Stainless vs Ceramic... GOOD stainless headers (not generic ebay ones) will probably outlast the frame of the car ceramic or not. If it comes down to non-ceramic stainless headers or ceramic non-stainless headers... get the stainless.


3 - Don't buy ebay crap shorties. You have a Fox pushrod, the ONLY shorties you should be considering are the Ford Racing Stainless or Ford Racing Stainless/Ceramic shorties. Yes they cost more, they will also fit perfectly and last for a decade no problem.


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These are the 94/95 FRPP Stainless Ceramic Shorty headers I had on my 95 after 7 years. Yes 7, and the car was not garage kept for most of that time unfortunately.








Buy those ebay ones and you'll be replacing every 2...
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Not saying there will be no gains but the long tubes should have greater gains.


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Yes they will but some of the ppl saying that shorties won't do much obviously have no IRL experience.


Fore the pushrod 5.0 and doing longtubes get the MACs and hope for the best. They fit perfect and tuck up to the floorboards really well. You can get them in ceramic too. For the BEST... just get the Kooks.
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Yea there should be gains for both what kind of mods do u have?


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Mods on my car as of now are : a A freshly machined block bored .20 over, gt40 heads that were machined and ported w/ new springs and valves and roller rockers. New roller lifters too. I had my local machine shop pick out a cam that would suit this set up also. ,a vortec v3, bbk 5001 intake, 40lb injectors, msd spark box, forged internals (low compression Pistons, crank, arp rod bolts and main cap bolts) I realize now that I can't skimp on headers after putting allot of time in this build so I'm going with these from lmr Click image for larger version

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The BBK ceramics are not bad but they are not stainless. If they are not coated on the inside (IIRC they are not) they can corrode from the inside out.
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Are those 1-5/8 or 1-3/4?

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They are going to be 1 and 5/8 unless they say otherwise. You don't want to go bigger unless you actually need to.
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Ok. So now I've installed my bbk longtubes and cranked my engine for the first time and I saw that my headers where getting red hot!! Is that because they're breaking in or will they keep getting red hot every time?


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Ok. So now I've installed my bbk longtubes and cranked my engine for the first time and I saw that my headers where getting red hot!! Is that because they're breaking in or will they keep getting red hot every time?


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Red hot would indicate a dangerously lean condition!
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Timing could be very off.

Very lean.

They should not be glowing red if that is what you are asking.
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Yeah they're glowing. Gonna adjust fuel pressure and timing when I get back to the shop.


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Did you ever get this car custom tuned?
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Not yet. As of now I've finished putting back all of the vacuum lines and wiring for the electric fans, secondary fuel pump,and everything else. This is my first supercharger build also so getting a custom tune is something I've never had to do. Is there anything that has to be done/installed to the car for them to plug in? Much appreciated! Can't believe this project is almost done!


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What injectors?

What pump?

What's your FP?

Timing?

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Not yet. As of now I've finished putting back all of the vacuum lines and wiring for the electric fans, secondary fuel pump,and everything else. This is my first supercharger build also so getting a custom tune is something I've never had to do. Is there anything that has to be done/installed to the car for them to plug in? Much appreciated! Can't believe this project is almost done!


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You really should not be running it untuned at all. Last pushrod build I did the only time it ran untuned was just to make sure there were no leaks or anything and then shut down and towed to the tuner.
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40lb injectors

Original fuel pump in tank

Secondary t-Rex pump

Haven't measured timing and fuel pressure yet but I kinda timed it by ear by Turning the distributor.


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Also a "Sct big air" mass air sensor 90mm. and a bbk 70mm throttle body


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