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Old 03-15-2016, 11:43 PM   #1
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89 fox future drag car

Hey guys, a while back I picked up an ole fox and I would like to turn it into a track car. Occasionally drive it on the road as well. I'm kinda lost as to what I need to do or should do to make a decent drag car. It's definitely not going to be a full blown race car but I don't want to cut any corners so there's room to grow power wise later on without having to restart. That being said I'd like info on whether or not I should get a back half kit? If so which one? Recommended roll cages? Tubs? What fits well and is worth the money.
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Sounds like a fun project!

Is there a budget? Or is this going to be one of those "spend whatever it takes" kind of deals?
How do you feel about putting a Chevy engine in a Mustang?
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There is a budget, I'm 21 and I have the same bills as most people. I have the car payment, house and insurance yada yada. I'm also in no hurry to do this. I work on the road usually 8-10 months out of the year. I don't want to rush it, I want to make sure when I get extra money to hop up a motor it'll handle it. The motor is another thing... I'm a die hard fan of fe motors. I know they aren't cheap to build and they aren't great for this. They're heavy, big. But I want an fe, I have one I plan on using. I've been looking at kits to put it in. I rebuilt a 390, I've also rebuilt a c6 that probably won't fit but I don't mind fabricating some mounts and new floorboards.
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Now you're talking!
I think that a FE would be a cool swap into a Fox! And they aren't that heavy, for their displacement... For a cast iron engine anyways.
Their biggest disadvantage, is that they can't be stroked easily to a large displacement, like the 385-series (429-460) can be. Nowadays, anything under 500 inches is considered "small". Lol
Not sure who the preferred half back and roll bar manufacturers are, but, hopefully someone will chime in.
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I know im pretty limited with the fe but Survivalmotorsports.com has some really cool stroker kits for fe's. I just did my first engine build though and kept it fairly simple. I had it bored 30 over, my buddy works at a shop and bored it for free. 288/286 cam and I got some head work done, ported polished, 2.19 int 1.66 exh. Right now it's just got an aluminum intake and demon 750 but I've been researching efi kits. The c6 I have is also my first transmission rebuild but it came with a shift kit. Only an 1800rpm stall for now. Just want to get all the tips I can! I appreciate the info and help man 👍
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Tub it. No need for a back-half car, lsx swap it. Build your own cage.


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Tub it. No need for a back-half car, lsx swap it. Build your own cage.


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Without a back half wouldn't I be stuck with small tire? Can't fit a very big tire back there as I'm sure you know.
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Without a back half wouldn't I be stuck with small tire? Can't fit a very big tire back there as I'm sure you know.

That's why I said tub it.


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Still won't be able to fit much of a tire with the stock quad shock setup. I couldn't even fit 275's on a 9 inch wheel without removing one of the shocks.
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No back half. And will beat everything here in reverse


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Looks good, do you have any pics under your car? Where did you order your tubs? Did they fit well?
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Looks good, do you have any pics under your car? Where did you order your tubs? Did they fit well?

Not on my phone right now. I have some posted on the forum though.

And everything is custom made


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Okay, I appreciate the info. This route will save me money, I already had plans for tubs. What did you do with the front suspension?
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I've helped with a couple of Fox builds although I've never run worked on a 390 I have done a lot of work on 427 side oilers as I had one in 63-1/2 drag Galaxie.
The FE motors are heavy and in a drag/autocross/street car weight in the front end is never good.........a 390 is about 625lbs and with aluminum heads and intake is about 550lbs. A 427 bored and stroked 351W is about 480lbs with aluminum heads and intake and will outperform the 390 in torque and HP and will be cheaper to build....or you could take Rapinator's suggestion and put Chevy in it.
Also, the C6 is just too heavy....the best way to go would be a C4 which is 1/2 the weight of the C6 and smaller....no need to cut up anything and will hold up to over 700hp if built right.
As Rapinator said there is no need to back half the car and no need to run huge tires....it's all in the suspension. Welding up all of the torque boxes and welding in subframe connectors would be a good start as the floors in the Fox cars are cardboard thin and will give you a starting point for the cage/roll bar.
Taking out the front cross member and replacing it with a Griggs/Maximum Motor sports and using tubular A arms will save 50/75lbs off the front and give you a better choice of springs or coil overs. Also getting some lightweight front disc brakes and putting rear discs like Aerospace Components will save another 35lb off the front and also the rear.
You really need to sit down and put a $$$$$ amount down and then put the plan together.......this way you won't go off in 20 different directions at the same time........These are all just suggestions or things to look at....here is a video of a fairly fast Fox Body with SBF....I've only run in the high 9's with a single carb.........going faster would be a lot of fun............

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Thank you olerodder for the info! I know there's better options than the fe motors but it's what I like. I've got several of them. This car isn't going to be a professional or serious drag car. I just want a fun ride that does well at the strip. I'm not against getting a c4 for the 390 I will definitely look into that. I'm stripping the car down to nothing right now, going to install tubs. I'm just lost on suspension stuff and I don't want to build a pos. I'll get subframe connectors and check out griggs/maximum motorsports. I'm trying to get everything figured out now.
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I've helped with a couple of Fox builds although I've never run worked on a 390 I have done a lot of work on 427 side oilers as I had one in 63-1/2 drag Galaxie.
The FE motors are heavy and in a drag/autocross/street car weight in the front end is never good.........a 390 is about 625lbs and with aluminum heads and intake is about 550lbs. A 427 bored and stroked 351W is about 480lbs with aluminum heads and intake and will outperform the 390 in torque and HP and will be cheaper to build....or you could take Rapinator's suggestion and put Chevy in it.
Also, the C6 is just too heavy....the best way to go would be a C4 which is 1/2 the weight of the C6 and smaller....no need to cut up anything and will hold up to over 700hp if built right.
As Rapinator said there is no need to back half the car and no need to run huge tires....it's all in the suspension. Welding up all of the torque boxes and welding in subframe connectors would be a good start as the floors in the Fox cars are cardboard thin and will give you a starting point for the cage/roll bar.
Taking out the front cross member and replacing it with a Griggs/Maximum Motor sports and using tubular A arms will save 50/75lbs off the front and give you a better choice of springs or coil overs. Also getting some lightweight front disc brakes and putting rear discs like Aerospace Components will save another 35lb off the front and also the rear.
You really need to sit down and put a $$$$$ amount down and then put the plan together.......this way you won't go off in 20 different directions at the same time........These are all just suggestions or things to look at....here is a video of a fairly fast Fox Body with SBF....I've only run in the high 9's with a single carb.........going faster would be a lot of fun............

https://youtu.be/ru6ogzmwuHo
That is an apples and oranges comparison...
You are comparing the weights of small block engines vs big block engines.
The FE engines are typically 100+ pounds lighter than the big blocks from any of the other manufacturers. Including the hefty Ford 385-series.
And with aluminum heads, intake, water pump, tubular headers, etc. they usually weigh right around 500 lbs. Sometimes slightly less.
And a 390 can be "safely" stroked into the mid 440's.
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If anyone on here needs any interior parts let me know. I'm not really going to use any of it so if I have it I'll gladly give it away.
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Only pics I have right now from the back/somewhat under the back

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Well here she is. Not much and not in that great of shape. The car was originally blue, I noticed one of the doors was red so at one time it got replaced. There was also bondo underneath the car on that side so maybe an incident at one time. It had an aftermarket shifter and worn out drag radials on the back on the ole 4 lug wheels. There's a lot of holes drilled in the fenders in the engine bay I suppose for some weight reduction? I also noticed someone cut two holes in the floor above the gas tank directly above the fuel pump. I guess they were to lazy to drop the tank. I did a 5 lug swap so I could roll it in and out of the garage. Dropped the tank got most of the interior out hoping to get it blasted and start on metal work fore too long. What do you think the car was worth?
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Thanks rap, if you ever get more I'd like to see them. Nice car 👍
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Well I'm getting called to work, going to be traveling up to illinois tomorrow for a few weeks. Perks of working on the road. If anybody can show me some rear end set ups I'd appreciate it. I can't get anything wider than a 275 on it now.
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So I'm gathering that you want to use a big tire, and have it tucked into the wheel wells? Unlike the successful "Beater Bomb" with slicks sticking out from the fenders?
Sort of a pro-street style? With a narrowed rear end and everything?
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Not really a bit tire but I would prefer something wider than 275's. I've got 10.5 wheels with 315's I'd like to use for street driving. I wanna be just out of the small tire class, like 12-14" inch wide slicks. But I might not get to do that, looks like I'd have to relocate the springs to get that. Or get crazy offsets or big spacers, couple of things I'm not big on.
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I think that it's going to be a fair amount of work to fit the tires that you want.
Here is a thread with some info about the SW back half kit.
http://www.460ford.com/forum/42-gene...back-half.html

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Thanks for the link! I like the setup that guy has. They all seem to lean towards the back half. I don't need as much tire as those guys but it'll give me room to grow in the motor area down the road.
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I included a picture of my old Maverick drag car when it raced B/SM back in the late 70's and early 80's. It was limited to 10-1/2 tires and ran a Boss 302 with 4spd.........still did mid 10's......this was over 30 years ago. Also a picture of the car when I sold it...had 31x13/15 tires and was running 9.8's with a 408 stroker motor and Powerglide......
Maybe I'm not understanding what you want to do with the motor(s) and the need for "big" tires. Big tires look neat and the cost of back halfing the car and amount of work is pretty extensive.....if the suspension is setup right you can easily go 9.0's in the quarter on 10" tires......and I would doubt the FE would ever get you there without a lot of a ton of $$$$$ and if you could get it to that point it's going to be a hand grenade waiting to go off.
Spending a few years drag racing a 427 and 428 SCJ has given me a little different view of what the FE motors are capable of in 1/4 mile performance. As I mentioned above.....regardless of engine weight....a bored and stroked 351w will give you better reliability and more HP and equivalent torque......and cost a lot less to build than spending money and time on a 390............now if you were looking at 513 Ford Crate motor or 427/428 I may change my mind and may be more receptive......just my 3 cents worth.....
Oh, the picture of wheels up was taken at Fremont Drag Strip in 1979,
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I agree, from a purely practical standpoint.
But I believe that Shane wants to build something different from the mainstream. And he wants to use an engine that he built himself.
I think that it could be a neat car, if done correctly. Certainly not a setup that you see at every car show or racetrack!
Will he get his *** handed to him by someone in a car that they put together for a few thousand dollars, and a couple of months, working on weekends? Probably... There's always something faster.
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I hear ya olerodder, I'm sure small tire would be plenty. It's honestly not about what would be enough tire. I just want a certain look. I want the wide tires and I want the fe. I do really appreciate all the info and will need much more before this very long build is going to be finished. One day it might end up with a monster engine and I want to make sure it could handle it while still getting the look I want as well. I'm perfectly fine with getting smoked by way cheaper and way smaller tire'd cars. It's just for fun 👍
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I hear ya olerodder, I'm sure small tire would be plenty. It's honestly not about what would be enough tire. I just want a certain look. I want the wide tires and I want the fe. I do really appreciate all the info and will need much more before this very long build is going to be finished. One day it might end up with a monster engine and I want to make sure it could handle it while still getting the look I want as well. I'm perfectly fine with getting smoked by way cheaper and way smaller tire'd cars. It's just for fun 👍
Sorry, sometimes I get carried away......I've been fortunate to have been able to build a number of cars.....and buy a few.....in drag racing over the past 40+ years. In the beginning it was all about being competitive in SS classes and back then you saw very few Fords.......they just cost too much money to make competitive although I did have a friend who raced a 61 with a 352 in a stock class that was competitive.........and although the motor looked stock......well the rules had a lot of holes in them back then. I've see a lot of people start to build something and either bottom out with the money or just get frustrated...
part of the reason I was looking for an easier and cheaper way for you to get started sooner than later..........building a car over 4, 5, 6 years takes its toll on you.........believe me I've been there before.
So, it's your car and your money so build it the way you want....and another important thing is to make a plan....stick to the plan and the budget....again I've seen people....some of my own friends just go hog wild and then loose interest.
Remember, you can never have enough HP and no matter how fast you go there is always someone faster than you.............if you can keep that in perspective you'll do ok.
Didn't mean to ramble on...........just get passionate about the sport I've loved for over 40 years.....don't hesitate to ask for help or at least for opinions.
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Sorry, sometimes I get carried away......I've been fortunate to have been able to build a number of cars.....and buy a few.....in drag racing over the past 40+ years. In the beginning it was all about being competitive in SS classes and back then you saw very few Fords.......they just cost too much money to make competitive although I did have a friend who raced a 61 with a 352 in a stock class that was competitive.........and although the motor looked stock......well the rules had a lot of holes in them back then. I've see a lot of people start to build something and either bottom out with the money or just get frustrated...
part of the reason I was looking for an easier and cheaper way for you to get started sooner than later..........building a car over 4, 5, 6 years takes its toll on you.........believe me I've been there before.
So, it's your car and your money so build it the way you want....and another important thing is to make a plan....stick to the plan and the budget....again I've seen people....some of my own friends just go hog wild and then loose interest.
Remember, you can never have enough HP and no matter how fast you go there is always someone faster than you.............if you can keep that in perspective you'll do ok.
Didn't mean to ramble on...........just get passionate about the sport I've loved for over 40 years.....don't hesitate to ask for help or at least for opinions.
No problem man! I really appreciate the help and ideas. I'm probably going to ask you many questions by the time this is over with. I understand the long project part as well, me and my dad built a truck together in a 5 year time period. I just gotta have something to play with when I'm not gone working, sitting on the couch doesn't cut it lol. Here's a pic of the truck me and my dad built together
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Clean looking truck!
Is that a 78 or a 79?
What engine?
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Clean looking truck!
Is that a 78 or a 79?
What engine?
It has the 78-79 grill in it, we thought it looked the best. It has a 400, nothing special. All original stuff till you get to the lift lol.
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Here's one after we put on the cab lights and mirrors. And ditched the 38.5 boggers for 40x14.5 irocks. It's my dad in the picture. We only took it to one car show but managed to get a 3rd place trophy. We had it finished for about 6 years and sold it. Since I've started on a couple projects and my dad started on another lifted truck that's going to be a 3/4 ton highboy and "bigger" lol.
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