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Old 03-16-2016, 10:05 PM   #1
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Very nice Really digging the Bullitt side skirts. The pre production Mach 1 had those skirts, should've kept them.

I honestly can't tell, Comp Orange or Torch Red?
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Always loved the Torch Reds. 2nd choice along with DSG when I was looking for one.

Any plans for her? What do you have done?
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Thanks , we'll I had nos on it but my wife made me take it off also about to get a pro charger saving for that big boy tires in back . Got cams for it k and N intake more to come having a kid so it's going to be a while

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Noticed the 10.5's out back. 315 NT05's look good. Just put on 295/18's myself. Hope they hook better than the Sumi's I had before lol.

Also looking at getting a Procharger soon. A previous owner procharged mine at some point so I don't need a full kit. Basically the head unit, intercooler & piping and some brackets.

What cams did you go with? Would love to do them but damn after install/tune it's half a procharger kit!
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I really liked the Procharger on my Mach 1. I sold it for a Kenne Bell kit and then sold that for a Whipple. I ran the Ford GT cams but honestly cams are a waste with boost. Just up the boost.
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I think the previous owner told me they where crower cams I have the receipt at home somewhere , have u found a good pro charger I found one but it's 6000

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I really liked the Procharger on my Mach 1. I sold it for a Kenne Bell kit and then sold that for a Whipple. I ran the Ford GT cams but honestly cams are a waste with boost. Just up the boost.
Good to know. In reality the factory cams aren't terrible and like you said, more boost = more powah! How many pounds were you running and was it on factory rods?

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I haven't seen any used setups for sale lately. I think new systems run ~$6000 so I definitely wouldn't pay anywhere near that for a used one.
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Honestly I'm not sure my good sir but I would like to get a pro charger right away I haven't had the mach1 very long about a year now that was my first mustang and I fell in love I'm trying to find the terminator cobra engine for mine my buddy has one and his gets about 700 horses

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In the interest of long(er) term reliability, I would not go over 8 psi for whatever supercharger you choose unless you forge the pistons and bottom end. If your spouse did not like the nitrous, I'll bet she'll like an engine replacement even less.
A friend of mine does 12 psi and uses aviation gas (the exhaust smells GREAT!) but he had engine problems after about 10K and went forged before the big BANG happened. IIRC, he cracked a piston crown and it was making noise.....
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Yah it's a shame Ford didn't fully forge the Mach engine. The crank is forged on the 5spd cars but that's usually the last thing to give out. The hyper eutectic, or hyper pathetic as I call them, rods tend to fail once you start pushing the 475-500rwhp mark.

That's why the 03-04 cobra 4v from this gen. is great for making power. Ported blower, pulley swap, intake and full exhaust = 500rwhp without breaking a sweat
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Good to know. In reality the factory cams aren't terrible and like you said, more boost = more powah! How many pounds were you running and was it on factory rods?
With the Whipple I was making over 25 lbs. of boost. Built motor obviously.
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In the interest of long(er) term reliability, I would not go over 8 psi for whatever supercharger you choose unless you forge the pistons and bottom end.
I was making 11 lbs. of boost with my Procharger and 12 lbs. of boost with my Kenne Bell all on the stock bottom end. No issues at all.
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I was making 11 lbs. of boost with my Procharger and 12 lbs. of boost with my Kenne Bell all on the stock bottom end. No issues at all.
Yet.
The Hypereutetic pistons are stronger than pure cast aluminum, but not as strong as forged........I just don't think they were made for significant amounts of boost, and you are "risking" your engine by doing so. I do think that they are completely safe (unlike cast pure aluminum pistons) for 6 to 8 pounds of boost.

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The most common material used for automotive pistons is aluminum due to its light weight, low cost, and acceptable strength. Although other elements may be present in smaller amounts, the alloying element of concern in aluminum for pistons is silicon. The point at which silicon is fully and exactly soluble in aluminum at operating temperatures is around 12%. Either more or less silicon than this will result in two separate phases in the solidified crystal structure of the metal. This is very common. When significantly more silicon is added to the aluminum than 12%, the properties of the aluminum change in a way that is useful for the purposes of pistons for combustion engines. However, at a blend of 25% silicon there is a significant reduction of strength in the metal, so hypereutectic pistons commonly use a level of silicon between 16% and 19%. Special moulds, casting, and cooling techniques are required to obtain uniformly dispersed silicon particles throughout the piston material.
Hypereutectic pistons are stronger than more common cast aluminum pistons and used in many high performance applications. They are not as strong as forged pistons, but are much lower cost due to being cast.
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What do you mean yet? I sold the car five years ago and never had a problem running 11-12 lbs. of boost on the stock motor. I sold that motor and built another that was taking 25+ lbs. of boost with no problems. So you can post all the links you want, I speak from first hand experience.
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What do you mean yet? I sold the car five years ago and never had a problem running 11-12 lbs. of boost on the stock motor. I sold that motor and built another that was taking 25+ lbs. of boost with no problems. So you can post all the links you want, I speak from first hand experience.
OK...our experiences and opinions on this issue diverge....and that's OK, right?
I am not saying anyone WILL have problems running the stock pistons and bottom end with 12 pounds of boost. 12 psi is almost twice the combustion chamber pressures that Ford built those parts to withstand.
I am saying you can much more assuredly be in a position where you won't blow your engine if it is forged and running 12 psi.
Is there ANY aftermarket modifier (like Roush or Shelby for example) that sells one of their cars with a 12 pound pulley and the stock pistons and bottom end? I can't think of one....
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Yes, my Procharger came with the 11 lb. pulley. Do you have any experience here or just what you've read on the internet? You say it can't be done, but I've done it.
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Here is the car I built. I had as much experience as anyone building these cars. And I was the pioneer in adding a Whipple meant for a Cobra on one of these cars.
http://www.mustangandfords.com/featu...ustang-mach-1/
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Here is the car I built. I had as much experience as anyone building these cars. And I was the pioneer in adding a Whipple meant for a Cobra on one of these cars.
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Grabber................you seem to be agreeing with me, as when you went with serious boost (nice car, by the way!) you went with a different, stronger block, and all forged internals. I'll bet that thing was a BEAST!
As to what point of boost it is wise to do that, 12 or 21, that is still left unanswered here....does Roush or Steeda or Shelby sell a 12 psi supercharged car with non-forged internals?
Anyone is of course free to do that if that is their desire, but if none of the aftermarket folks sell this combination, there has to be a reason, don't you think?
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Yes, my Procharger came with the 11 lb. pulley. Do you have any experience here or just what you've read on the internet? You say it can't be done, but I've done it.
Never said it CAN"T be done...........only that if someone chooses a 12 pound pulley, choosing to forge the internals will make the engine more reliable......That just makes common sense to me......
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