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Old 01-17-2006, 12:55 AM   #36
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How is the 99-04 squared off and the 2005 isnt?
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2005 is squared off. I just like what they did with it more than the 99-04's. Just opinion though.
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I know this is a dated post, and the outcome more than likely was already decided upon, but I honestly cannot understand why you would buy a pre-'05 GT unless money was a limiting factor.

Looks are subjective, but the "05 Mustangs are so much nicer looking in my opinion, and that includes the interior. Not to mention the improvements in suspension, braking, and drivetrain. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not knocking the pre-05 Mustangs, they're nice too, but unless it was a Mach or a Cobra I would pass and get a newer Mustang.
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The 05+ Mustangs are nicer, but if you driver one you feel like your driving a Benz, or a Lexus, or something when compared too pre-05 Mustangs, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, it just take away some of the muscle car feel of the old Mustangs. I bet it is alot nice to take a long road trip with, and if I could choose between the two I would choose a knewer Mustang GT over an older one.
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The style inside and out is all subjective. The only thing objective that I dont care for is the fact that the sucker is to heavy and that it only makes a touch over 300hp.
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The style inside and out is all subjective. The only thing objective that I dont care for is the fact that the sucker is to heavy and that it only makes a touch over 300hp.
I agree, it would make most everybody happen if the weight of next Mustang got back to what it was pre-S197. Maybe even pre-SN95 weight.:yup: I kind of doubt the second part though.
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3000lb v6 and a 3300lb v8 should be an obtainable goal.
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I know this is a dated post, and the outcome more than likely was already decided upon, but I honestly cannot understand why you would buy a pre-'05 GT unless money was a limiting factor.

Looks are subjective, but the "05 Mustangs are so much nicer looking in my opinion, and that includes the interior. Not to mention the improvements in suspension, braking, and drivetrain. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not knocking the pre-05 Mustangs, they're nice too, but unless it was a Mach or a Cobra I would pass and get a newer Mustang.
The only thing I liked about the 06 GT I test drove was the clutch. man, that thing was like butter compared to my spec III. lol

The interior isn't bad, but the car just doesn't look agressive to me. It looks blah and bloated.

However, everyone has different likes/dislikes. I will be getting a 99-04 GT/Cobra when I do get another car just for the fact the body stlye gets me going more than the new one.
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Cars are not getting lighter guys. safety regs and pleas for stiffer chassis, etc, all cost weight.

I've been in plenty of pre-'05 cars. Nice cars, but never really tempted me.
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Cars are not getting lighter guys. safety regs and pleas for stiffer chassis, etc, all cost weight.

I've been in plenty of pre-'05 cars. Nice cars, but never really tempted me.
Corvette's got lighter. :dunno:
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its all about how much they can charge... they would have to charge a ton for a mustang to be light, and... they would have to do a ton of re-engineering which they dont want to pay for.
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Was reading through, about to write reply...but ricklmesa said everything I was going to write...I never liked the 94+ body style either but thank god we don't all have the same taste; all our cars would look the same!
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i would ssay get new stang GT and be happy with it.. better interior and exterior personall.. i like 99-04 style if they only have WDIE meats and beatiful rims.. that time those cars catch my eyes otherwise 05+ stang GT looks beter. and by the way 05+ stang GTs are underated 300hp.. in reality they got 320 - 325 hp. dyno proven!
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My personal preferance is for the 05. It is much bigger and much more comfortable. The trunk is actually useable. It has more power and there are a large number of options and modifications availale for it.
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Did some of you really say you prefer the looks of the 2004? You must own that model, but be honest, that's a really ugly car. I am new to the Mustang hobby, and really got into it because of the 2005 redisign. I would never have dreamed of buying a Mustang prior to the 2005, unless it was '71 or older.

The 2004 model (and the other's in it's design group) had one of the ugliest, and least aesthetically appealing interiors I have ever seen. It screams cheap American construction and design. The retro interior of the 2005+ says, quality well thought out American design. That curved dash of that 2004 car looks like it came right from 1983.

Don't even compare the cars as far as body design. There is a reason that sales more then doubled from 2004 to 2005, it's a much better looking car, no question. The car itself is superior in every way. 20 years from now, no one is going to be collecting 1973 - 2004 Mustangs. They will be collecting 2005+ Mustangs. Think of 1964 - 65 Pontiac GTOs compared to the 1966 - 1972. No one really wants the first couple of years of GTO's, mainly due to a very partisan design. But you can basically name your price for 1966 to 1972's as the design, and car itself became much more desireable.

There is a reason that the 2004's are much cheaper, even though there are fewer of them: they are not as good. If you can afford to step up, buy the 2005. You will not regret it.
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Teh reason sales doubled is because of nostalgia. Baby boomers can have the car of their youth now... Yes...the 99-04 style is a helluva lot better than the new one. The new style is back to a secretary car like when the mustang was first released. The only thing really needed is the coupe version and it would truly be a secretary car.

When parked together, you see the hippo size of the 05+ body style...looks like a tank next to the 99-04.

When comparing looks, the 05+ does nothing. The 99-04s have an aggressive look and styling to them. The 05+ have completely lost that aggression and have become very effeminate.

20 years from now, people will be after the 99-04s because of their aggressive styling. Just like when people look for classics now...they don't look for the mid 70s mustangs...they look for the aggressive styled models of the 60s and early 70s. No one rushes out for a mustang II.

The 05+ is good for what it is...the chassis is a great design...but the car as a whole is very bland and blah...
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Teh reason sales doubled is because of nostalgia. Baby boomers can have the car of their youth now... Yes...the 99-04 style is a helluva lot better than the new one. The new style is back to a secretary car like when the mustang was first released. The only thing really needed is the coupe version and it would truly be a secretary car.

When parked together, you see the hippo size of the 05+ body style...looks like a tank next to the 99-04.

When comparing looks, the 05+ does nothing. The 99-04s have an aggressive look and styling to them. The 05+ have completely lost that aggression and have become very effeminate.

20 years from now, people will be after the 99-04s because of their aggressive styling. Just like when people look for classics now...they don't look for the mid 70s mustangs...they look for the aggressive styled models of the 60s and early 70s. No one rushes out for a mustang II.

The 05+ is good for what it is...the chassis is a great design...but the car as a whole is very bland and blah...
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well let's see, i drove an 06 just the other day and i must say i really liked the small plastic shifter and the unusuable center console armrest (unless you are over 6' tall) and the overall loud roadnoise. ooh and the itchy cloth seats were a really nice touch.

seriously, i have nothing against the 05+ stang. but there is no need to come in here and bash every other model simply due to the fact that you have a newer one. after i drove the 06, i preferred mine over that one. to me, mine rides smoother and i don't feel like i am being swallowed up by it. and maybe it's due to the overall weight of that elephant of a car, but my little 6er accelerated better and didn't strain as much as that one. and it was a 6 as well. poor performance in my book. especially since they only increased the crank hp a whopping 8hp in a car that they increased the weight by about 500-700 lbs. kind of stoopid if you ask me.
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They both have their good list and bad list. My main issue with the 2005+ is they are way to heavy, they are slow (WTF ford... its 2005 you should have had this performance back in 1996 on the base model gt...) and they need a more aggresive look.\

I will agree with you that the 94-04 Mustang interior was not top notch. I am very happy with my interior overall but I can see where you would be comming from. I would glady sacrifice such things for performance.
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Wow...I thought I was going to take a pounding for my comments. Nice to see I am not alone in my thinking.
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Did some of you really say you prefer the looks of the 2004? You must own that model, but be honest, that's a really ugly car. I am new to the Mustang hobby, and really got into it because of the 2005 redisign. I would never have dreamed of buying a Mustang prior to the 2005, unless it was '71 or older.

The 2004 model (and the other's in it's design group) had one of the ugliest, and least aesthetically appealing interiors I have ever seen. It screams cheap American construction and design. The retro interior of the 2005+ says, quality well thought out American design. That curved dash of that 2004 car looks like it came right from 1983.

Don't even compare the cars as far as body design. There is a reason that sales more then doubled from 2004 to 2005, it's a much better looking car, no question. The car itself is superior in every way. 20 years from now, no one is going to be collecting 1973 - 2004 Mustangs. They will be collecting 2005+ Mustangs. Think of 1964 - 65 Pontiac GTOs compared to the 1966 - 1972. No one really wants the first couple of years of GTO's, mainly due to a very partisan design. But you can basically name your price for 1966 to 1972's as the design, and car itself became much more desireable.

There is a reason that the 2004's are much cheaper, even though there are fewer of them: they are not as good. If you can afford to step up, buy the 2005. You will not regret it.
Maybe you should buy an import.
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dam this is an old thread, dam near 2 yrs old. but o well...

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well let's see, i drove an 06 just the other day and i must say i really liked the small plastic shifter and the unusuable center console armrest (unless you are over 6' tall) and the overall loud roadnoise. ooh and the itchy cloth seats were a really nice touch.

seriously, i have nothing against the 05+ stang. but there is no need to come in here and bash every other model simply due to the fact that you have a newer one. after i drove the 06, i preferred mine over that one. to me, mine rides smoother and i don't feel like i am being swallowed up by it. and maybe it's due to the overall weight of that elephant of a car, but my little 6er accelerated better and didn't strain as much as that one. and it was a 6 as well. poor performance in my book. especially since they only increased the crank hp a whopping 8hp in a car that they increased the weight by about 500-700 lbs. kind of stoopid if you ask me.
I agree, when i was searchin for my gt, i test drove a couple 05 n 07's. i didnt like them at all either. yea they look pretty cool, but i felt like cramped in. And they felt a lil lagy, guess thats where the weight comes in. lol. I do like the appearance the 05+ has, but i dont think that the nice, sporty exterior meshes very well with the very old style gauges n what not, just my opinion.

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Wow...I thought I was going to take a pounding for my comments. Nice to see I am not alone in my thinking.
come on now, u know were all here to back u and our 99-04's up! :thumbs2:
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Did some of you really say you prefer the looks of the 2004? You must own that model, but be honest, that's a really ugly car. I am new to the Mustang hobby, and really got into it because of the 2005 redisign. I would never have dreamed of buying a Mustang prior to the 2005, unless it was '71 or older.
That's good to know

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It screams cheap american production because it was. It's called mass production, make the most you can for the cheapest you can. The 05 is the same way. All they did was flatten out the dash board, add 20 feet of plastic to it, and called it retro. Not to mention, reading the gauges in the S197's is an art in itself.
What about the fact that I feel like I'm in my truck when I drive an 05+? The driver seat makes it feel like you are sitting 4 feet off the ground. Even with all this lift, you can't see the front edge of the hood no matter what you try. At least on the 99-04's they gave you a nifty hoodscoop to look at. On the 05+ you have a 6 foot long piece of slick metal, covered in water spots most likely.

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The sales doubled because all of the baby boomers want the car they had/missed in their youth. What better way to feel young than have the car you wish you had bought 40 years ago?

Ford simply did their homework and designed a car that the normal person wanted. Of course, there were sacrifices to create this product. Mainly, weight and styling.

The front of the S197's is nice, I admit, it's a front end to be feared in the rear view mirror. However, once you start looking at the side of the car you see the huge black plastic mirrors that stick out a good 12-14 inches into space. Of course, in keeping with the theme of the car, they are huge, rectangular pieces of plastic that give you no more view than the 99-04's.

As you look down the side of the car you notice the long hood, the sloping roof line, then you get to the rear. From the side, the car just stops. It's like Ford said "OK, that's enough, stop there" when the design team was molding the car from clay.

The fake fuel cap was a nice touch though...you can always count on ford to put non-functional pieces on a car.

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My last defense is this.

Ford did not put a trunk release on the inside of the S197.

What?????

So...you mean to tell me that in order to pop the trunk I have to either cut the car off and hit the button on the remote or actually pull the key from the ignition, walk around the car, put it into the trunk (hoping you don't scar the pretty fake fuel cap), and open the trunk that way. How convenient is that...
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when i got my car i had a choice to get my 04, or wait for the 05. honestly, i think the 05+ looks like crap (with the exception of the blackjack and a few other ones). if you want a "retro" style stang, get an older one and restore it. i think the new ones look so plain and blah that they aren't worth it, even if they do have a bigger engine.


everyone has their own opinion, and personally, when i had the choice, i went for the 04 because i think it looks so much better than the s197 style.
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If you want 'retro styling' just go for an 03/04 mach 1 :drool:

Again.. I would love to have an 05+, tungsten gray/black leather interior/5 speed.... Having worked on the cars and driven many I can say they are easy to live with and very fun to drive, I never felt the weight difference going down the road..

Oh, and as for the comments about the V6.. the 5 speed manuals don't struggle whatsoever until third gear, pretty surprising performance up to ~ 65ish, while I'd never own a v6 stang they aren't that bad.

As for road noise... you must be really used to your car, stumpy.. 99-04s are loud as hell on the road...
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As for road noise... you must be really used to your car, stumpy.. 99-04s are loud as hell on the road...
i must be. hell mine's a vert and it still seemed quieter than the coupe i drove. it might have been the tires on that thing too. my tires are pretty quiet.
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i must be. hell mine's a vert and it still seemed quieter than the coupe i drove. it might have been the tires on that thing too. my tires are pretty quiet.
That's a factor -- on that note though, the 05+ v6s never felt as refined as the GTs, so maybe there was more road noise/etc or you could hear more over the engine or what have you..

BTW, this thread brings to mind only one thing.

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I hate to tell you guys this, but the 05+ sound like a funeral home inside compared to the 99-04. They are 10 times quieter.
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I hate to tell you guys this, but the 05+ sound like a funeral home inside compared to the 99-04. They are 10 times quieter.
I just said that :yup:
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If I was concerned about road noise I'd put the stock exhaust back on and get rid of the ZR tires lol.

Road noise is just one of those things that never bothers me, but I do know that the S197's are alot quieter inside. Can't even hear the stock exhaust unlike the 04's.
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Old 04-28-2007, 02:02 PM   #67
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I like my Mustangs a little noisy. :dunno:
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Old 04-29-2007, 05:48 PM   #68
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That's good to know

My last defense is this.

Ford did not put a trunk release on the inside of the S197.

What?????

So...you mean to tell me that in order to pop the trunk I have to either cut the car off and hit the button on the remote or actually pull the key from the ignition, walk around the car, put it into the trunk (hoping you don't scar the pretty fake fuel cap), and open the trunk that way. How convenient is that...
I noticed this too. I went out to check the trunk space in the one i test drove and i asked the guy if there was a special place they put the trunk release at cuz i couldnt find it. hes like um well there isnt one. all i could do is shake my head n go, hmmm thats interesting. n he was like, ....yea.....
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Yeah, that button on the keyless entry is a ***** to push.
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If I was concerned about road noise I'd put the stock exhaust back on and get rid of the ZR tires lol.

Road noise is just one of those things that never bothers me, but I do know that the S197's are alot quieter inside. Can't even hear the stock exhaust unlike the 04's.
Whether I had an 05 or my 03....I wouldn't be able to hear any road noise anyhow. Hell, I'm not putting isolators in when I drop the car because I'm not going to be able to hear the damn noise anyhow...so why bother. I guess that is the benefit of rolling like a harley.
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