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Old 01-02-2011, 06:13 PM   #71
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I eat them all the time as long as your a good driver and have a fast car no problem! I've beening drag racing for 16 years now. I can bang gears.. I run mid 11s hoping to hit 10s this summer
Whatttttttt! just as I expected nice, hey how are those new 2011s gts doing at the drag strip where u r at are they really as fast as people say they are, the 2 I test drove didn't feel like anything to brag about just my opinion.
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Re: which supercharger???

If I keep my S197 I will end up adding a forged bottom end later on this year, just to be safe.
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Whatttttttt! just as I expected nice, hey how are those new 2011s gts doing at the drag strip where u r at are they really as fast as people say they are, the 2 I test drove didn't feel like anything to brag about just my opinion.
The 11s with a good driver will go mid to high 12s. Great for a stock car but everything else about the s197 looks and feels better. To me atleast. Was it a stick you were driving?
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The 11s with a good driver will go mid to high 12s. Great for a stock car but everything else about the s197 looks and feels better. To me atleast. Was it a stick you were driving?
Yup, I wouldn't waste my time trying to buy an auto. I heard the autos were faster than sticks when modded. American Muscle Grabber Blue gt ran 13s stock with 93 octane. Just as I expected. However they told me that with tune, DRs and 4.10s and NOS the are seeing mid to high 10s. I am not a fan of NOS. Also my 2007 understeered less in the corners, but I have sways on.
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Re: which supercharger???

If your going to go FI and want to use a SC do it right and go twin screw either whipple or KB. For you id say whipple when i put mine in i was 456 rwhp 439rwtq thats just SC being added.
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Yup, I wouldn't waste my time trying to buy an auto. I heard the autos were faster than sticks when modded. American Muscle Grabber Blue gt ran 13s stock with 93 octane. Just as I expected. However they told me that with tune, DRs and 4.10s and NOS the are seeing mid to high 10s. I am not a fan of NOS. Also my 2007 understeered less in the corners, but I have sways on.
I'm glad to hear that!! I've never driving an auto in my life!! I look at an auto drives you and a stick you drive the car!!! I run nos on my 88 and it's great but it's built for it.. If your car is a dd and track car sometimes get a blower!! When driving around it's normal until you mat it than it's an animal I love it!
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I'm glad to hear that!! I've never driving an auto in my life!! I look at an auto drives you and a stick you drive the car!!! I run nos on my 88 and it's great but it's built for it.. If your car is a dd and track car sometimes get a blower!! When driving around it's normal until you mat it than it's an animal I love it!
All superchargers are good but it depends what you are going to do.. If you want crazy low end power twin screws are great but if you want top end( drag racing high rpm) I would go correct or procharger!! High rpm isn't that what we all want it does stop pulling
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Get the vortech!! I have an 2006 gt with a v3 ho and it pulls!! I made 489hp on a friendly tune!! And the blower can hold 775hp down the road.


That's what I bought.
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I personally would choose the KB 4.2LC.
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hi guys, am hussain from Bahrain I own a 1988 mustang swap 2005 engine and dashboard and full wiring with the original cluster, am looking for a 2005 - 2009 used roushsupercharger full kit,, thanks guys this is my whats app 0097336364665
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I love it! Get a blower it's way better than a new 5.0!! Theses blowers love rpm and will perform better on the dragstrip!! My father has the 5.0 it's nice but the s197 looks so much sexier!! It pulls like crazy right to 6400 rpm
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The 5.0's can hit 500 at the tires NA. Also will rev to 8000.
I wouldn't waste the money on the 3v

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* unless you have plans to go fully built and alot of boost

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The 5.0's can hit 500 at the tires NA. Also will rev to 8000.
I wouldn't waste the money on the 3v

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Only problem is it looks bad the 05 to 10 nailed the styling perfect retro modern , power can be added but looks are permanent. 500 at the tires so a 4.6 built can hit 700+ like I said power can be added.
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4.6L at even 500 non forged is a timebomb.
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Yes 450 with a great tune is as "reliable" as you will get.
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Yes 450 with a great tune is as "reliable" as you will get.
Actually centrifugal superchargers are better that way as the boost comes on steady so 500 RWHP is safe with a good tune with a centri , I plan on forging
in the future so then the sky is the limit. The 5.0 I have read is questionable beyond 550 rwhp for safety as well so really not much of a difference in limits.
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Actually centrifugal superchargers are better that way as the boost comes on steady so 500 RWHP is safe with a good tune with a centri , I plan on forging
in the future so then the sky is the limit. The 5.0 I have read is questionable beyond 550 rwhp for safety as well so really not much of a difference in limits.
The limit for the 5.0 is 600-650. And a coyote with 430 will eat a 3v with 500.

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Actually centrifugal superchargers are better that way as the boost comes on steady so 500 RWHP is safe with a good tune with a centri , I plan on forging
in the future so then the sky is the limit. The 5.0 I have read is questionable beyond 550 rwhp for safety as well so really not much of a difference in limits.
No. You're not reinventing the wheel.

A 500 WHP S/C 3V is not reliable.

The 5.0 stuff you "heard" is wrong.
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The limit for the 5.0 is 600-650. And a coyote with 430 will eat a 3v with 500.

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A 430 hp 5.0 will eat a 500 hp 4.6 really that does not make sense at all
sorry but here is a quote from a 5.0 owner.

Slagburn's car ( 5.0 ) was making about 500-520whp for over a year and something like 25K miles. He upped the boost and was making right at 560whp for iirc about 7k miles and is now building his motor thanks to an oh so slightly bent rod. He got lucky and cought it before it completely let go and put windows in the block. I believe he was shifting at 7K also. If you want a true to god reliable power limit I would say 525whp and you can enjoy the motor living for a long time like that. Once you go above that it starts to become a crap shoot.

Roush warrants their stuff at 3yr 36k at 575hp at the crank, I'd say that is what is reliable. Anything more than that and you are just reducing longevity. If you can't build a motor when the first one goes it's probably best not to go past that, it is really fun when you do though...

Ford will warranty a 525 S/C kit running 6 or so lbs. The don't warranty the 624 hp version which is 9 or so lbs. Those are flywheel ratings. I'd say Roush is pushing it with 575hp. Because this is a guessing game I'd say 550hp so 7 lbs of boost for be safe and get at least 75k miles out of your car. Yes you
can run 600 Hp but you are running on borrowed time.

So most 5.0s I've seen put down in the neighborhood of 365 stock or ~12% loss. At the end of the day it still doesn't matter. What matters is crank horsepower. Wheel horsepower is a false indicator because of how much variation can be seen in dyno numbers. At the end of the day I'm sticking with 575-650 crank horsepower and you should be enjoying your car without opening the motor for near factory longevity. It will still be critical to take actual use and proper maintenance in to consideration though.

Your exactly right, 12% is the norm. Auto cars used to be close to 20% but now they are becoming more and more efficient and I think they are around the 15% mark now. I would have completely agreed with your HP claim as well until my buddy's car bent a rod at right around 580whp. Granted it got A LOT of abuse and miles on it at around 520whp but still. I think at 600whp if you take care of it an otherwise un modded/abused car will probably make it 10K ish miles before it breaks but there are so many variables in this equation that no one can say for sure.

Concerning the 5.0.
You could run 650 whp and baby it and be fine. You could also run 550 whp and beat the christ out of it and pop your motor in a few thousand miles. All depends on what you want to do with it. If you have a lead foot as most do
500 Hp would be my absolute MAX as I want to drive my mustang more than 10 k miles wihout having to rebuild my 5.0 not cheap.

People tend to forget about all of the non-motor, ancillary items too. Driveshaft, half shafts, rear end, clutch etc. - they'll all suffer under increased power. It's worth it to take your time to do it right rather than slap a supercharger on there to make crazy power and then have a time bomb that's breaking down every few thousand miles for some reason or another.


So in conclusion the 5.0 just like any motor has safe limits just like the 4.6.
You want to run 600RWHP good luck it won't hold.
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You have a story of a 5.0 owner who blew his engine and now it is skull and cross bones for every 5.0?

There are 4.6 ad 5.0 engines blown stock. Should we not push a stock car?

A tune is EVERYTHING. He could have easily had the tune go bad at some point. He could have bent the rod for any reason.
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I promise you a 430 rwhp 5.0 will stomp a 500 rwhp 3v. I'm not talking out my ***. Prior supercharged 3v owner here.

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And my stock 5.0 motor let go at 611 at the tires. After a lot of abuse.

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The 3v is a good car with the stock motor of you leave it around 430-450. Anymore than that and you are on borrowed time. If you grandma it a 500 it may last 4ever. If you drive it like the car wants it could last one dyno pull to a year.

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The 3v is a good car with the stock motor of you leave it around 430-450. Anymore than that and you are on borrowed time. If you grandma it a 500 it may last 4ever. If you drive it like the car wants it could last one dyno pull to a year.

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That is why I went with a Centri they are safer that way smooth big block power boost all they way up to redline , intercooled the Vortech makes 190+ rwhp over stock so around the 450 - 475 rwhp mark no doubt that is the safe limit of a stock 4.6 even with a Centri at 10psi. the 5.0 can take more Hp but it has it's limits of course yeah 600+ rwhp will destroy it as you have found out . A great tune is KEY. For me that is plenty of power for now as I don't drag race which has it's own dangers and is an easy way to destroy your car due to the hard abuse. Check this out.


page 8 - Thunder Road: The Standing Mile - Vortech Mustang GT - Road & Track

575 Hp and 150+ dyno pulls to show the durability of the 4.6 L.
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My car ran for awhile on the stock motor at 600

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BTW that's 575 RWHP.
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