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Old 12-26-2010, 03:17 PM   #1
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No forced induction.

So, I don't want to pit forced induction onto my 07 GT, but anything else is fair game. What are the best bolt on's and such. Example: exhaust, intake, gears, cams.....
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So, I don't want to pit forced induction onto my 07 GT, but anything else is fair game. What are the best bolt on's and such. Example: exhaust, intake, gears, cams.....
What are you looking to accomplish with the car? Is a dd? Are you planning on racing it? Is fuel economy an issue or concern?

There are lots if options out there but a little more detail is required to help point you in a possible direction.
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Fuel economy is not a huge deal. With forced induction to many things start breaking. A fast street legal sleeper is my goal
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I've got 38000 miles on my gt with a supercharger... Putting down 487rwhp... And I'm running stock exhaust... No better sleeper that i know of!
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Re: No forced induction.

Blower....
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Which supercharger are you running?
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By the time you cam,intake and exhaust the car forced induction would be roughly the same cost for way more hp.
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You can safely run a blower on your stock engines with low boost levels. I ran an Eaton M90 on my old 06 Mustang with 9 psi of boost. It really livened up the car, just keep in mind that they max out for hp potential very quickly so if you ever want more hp you will have to upgrade in the future you will be looking at another blower.

If you don't want to go forced induction I'd drop 4:10 gears in it, CAI, full exhaust, and a good custom tune, maybe throttle body. CAMs are expensive and not huge gains for the trouble and money.

Nitrous is always a quick and dirty option, but is assisting and can become very expensive filling up your bottle.

There are many options out there but my advice to you, through my own experience, is to really sit down and figure out what you want to do with your car. In the end there is nothing worse than spending money twice!!!
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Old 12-27-2010, 01:35 PM   #9
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Re: No forced induction.

why are people so afriad of forced induction? as long as the tune is good, and ya dont do something foolish like run 15psi you will be just fine.
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why are people so afriad of forced induction? as long as the tune is good, and ya dont do something foolish like run 15psi you will be just fine.
I think it's a combination of the horror stories of the people who do retarded things, or too aggressive tunes, too much boost etc as well as the cost.

Most people don't realize all the little things add up quickly to the price of a blower.

As long as you are smart about it there is nothing to worry about!
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Old 12-27-2010, 04:33 PM   #11
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Re: No forced induction.

Doesn't make sense to me to set up a blower on a stock engine with a stock exhaust. Personally, I'd rather set it up n/a and then do a power adder later if I'm still thirsting for more.
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Old 12-27-2010, 04:34 PM   #12
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Re: No forced induction.

I will speak from personal experience...

My 07 which I paid off and traded in on a 2011 5.0 was modded with exactly what you are speaking about. Mods included kooks lts,catted H,cai,93 octane tune and FRPP 4.10s. With those mods the car made 298WHP,which was a blast to drive super quick throttle response in any gear at any rpm but in the end was still not enough. Like stated above a blower will get you 400+ hp easily and very safely. You could run low psi with a great tune and have 435whp that would be totally safe and lots of fun.

For me.....I wanted a totally safe 450-500whp without having to worry about upgrading internals.Thats the reason i didn't slap a blower on the 07 because i wanted more than it could handle.If you are looking for a low 400whp car then a blower would be perfect for you.
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I will speak from personal experience...

My 07 which I paid off and traded in on a 2011 5.0 was modded with exactly what you are speaking about. Mods included kooks lts,catted H,cai,93 octane tune and FRPP 4.10s. With those mods the car made 298WHP,which was a blast to drive super quick throttle response in any gear at any rpm but in the end was still not enough. Like stated above a blower will get you 400+ hp easily and very safely. You could run low psi with a great tune and have 435whp that would be totally safe and lots of fun.

For me.....I wanted a totally safe 450-500whp without having to worry about upgrading internals.Thats the reason i didn't slap a blower on the 07 because i wanted more than it could handle.If you are looking for a low 400whp car then a blower would be perfect for you.
I totally agree, I learned from experience to, that's why I preach sitting down and figuring out what you want to accomplish with the car. Then you can make some informed decisions.
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Doesn't make sense to me to set up a blower on a stock engine with a stock exhaust. Personally, I'd rather set it up n/a and then do a power adder later if I'm still thirsting for more.
In some circumstance there isn't much to gain in an exhaust (not always the case)

There are many different ways to skin a cat, none of which are wrong to say the least.
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Which supercharger are you running?
I'm running Procharger... P-sc-1
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In some circumstance there isn't much to gain in an exhaust (not always the case)

There are many different ways to skin a cat, none of which are wrong to say the least.
I suppose if a factory exhaust is maximized for low restriction. But I'm betting that's extremely rare knowing how our EPA rules.
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I've got 38000 miles on my gt with a supercharger... Putting down 487rwhp... And I'm running stock exhaust... No better sleeper that i know of!
Good idea! and nice car! Posts some pictures!
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Good idea! and nice car! Posts some pictures!
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In some circumstance there isn't much to gain in an exhaust (not always the case)

There are many different ways to skin a cat, none of which are wrong to say the least.
That's why i haven't, scared to spend the money and loose power...
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People are afraid of power adders just like nitrous. Just un informed. If out were mine I would be tempted top stay na. I would consider a5.4 swap like we used to do with the old mod motors, although I know the three valves are still expensive. Ford makes some god heads and an intake. Comp for cams. You could have a fun little three valve with heads cam intake but power adder makes more sense. Built a turbo 05, stock everything except some good h beams and a je piston. Made close to 650 to the tire. That's very little work for that much power., I'm talking stock heads, cam and intake. Yes the composite intake had continued to hold up to all that pressure.
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A 5.4 swap, although that would produce a very nice sleeper that seems kind of uneconomical in my mind!
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Re: No forced induction.

all the bolt ons (nothing going into the motor to do) will get you 300-320rwhp which I wouldnt be happy with. The rest is tearing into the motor which it just depends on how far you want to go and what your budget is.
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The 5.4 swap on the 96 to 04 cars is cake and cheap. Everything us the same and bolts up except for the intake. You can get a good 5.4 intake for 600 bucks. It is about about the cheapest and one of the best mods you can do to a mod motor car. I have not done one to a three valve but I would guess since they are also modular it is pretty easy as well.
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The 3v will flow just as good as a 03/04 cobra. With some internals it will make more safe power at lower rpm......not much more though,lol.
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3V will not flow as well as a four valve 03/04 cobra. The cobra bottom end is nearly bullet proof. Your post makes no sense.
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So, I don't want to pit forced induction onto my 07 GT, but anything else is fair game. What are the best bolt on's and such. Example: exhaust, intake, gears, cams.....
bro i think forced induction has gotten a bad rap in your eyes. Its really not unsafe as long as you dont go over 9-10psi. The internals can handle that with no problem.

Make sure you get it intercooled.
so many of us on here are supercharged.
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3V will not flow as well as a four valve 03/04 cobra. The cobra bottom end is nearly bullet proof. Your post makes no sense.

Why would I make that up.....? It makes sense because it has been tested comparing the GT500,Terminator and a 05 3v with built bottom end. The GT500 took top honors of course and the termi and 05 built and blown were basically tied. What doesn't make sense about that?
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I would love to see proof of that. Not for one second do I believe a three valve head can outflow a four valve head. The head on the terminator cars flows like hell.
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I've been trying to find the link. I know I posted it in another thread and I can't remember if it was motor trend or fast fords that did the article.Let me try and find it....
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Sorry for hijacking your thread. Its no big deal don't mean to start a pissing match. I have built a few three valves that made some sick numbers. I know there is a ton of potential there but with four valves you have more curtain area. There is no way I believe a three valve can outflow a four. If I had a flow bench we would put this to bed right now cause I happen to be building both a three and four this week.
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Its not that it out flowed it and put it to shame.They were so close that it really didn't make a difference,I was just shocked that it made that much HP at lower RPMs.In the end I believe the termi is better because of the bang for the buck theory and yes that thing is pretty much bulletproof.
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