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Old 05-14-2012, 09:34 PM   #36
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L&m gets horrible reviews on most forums ... An the adj brackets are more than just for lowered cars
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L&m gets horrible reviews on most forums ... An the adj brackets are more than just for lowered cars
They get bad reviews along with any other poly is because they split! But with a lifetime warranty who cares, solids don't give you better traction they are just more durable and make more noise

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And also I don't listen to forums opinions to much, cause its all just opinions
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Steeda's have a washer between the frame bracket and the arm in the front. I believe this supports the bushing.
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On forums like this I agree... Modded mustangs an s197 is more fact than opinion... Lot of racers an company reps on there... An as for the bushing comment u made... That is not why it gets bad reviews... It's quality of their product... Their lca is known to fail under hard launch on slicks.,, has nothing to do w their bushings
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On forums like this I agree... Modded mustangs an s197 is more fact than opinion... Lot of racers an company reps on there... An as for the bushing comment u made... That is not why it gets bad reviews... It's quality of their product... Their lca is known to fail under hard launch on slicks.,, has nothing to do w their bushings
If they break I can reweld them and I never ever heard if that, just the bushing splitting but that's ALL poly...... I have heard of adjustable ones breaking in higher horsepower cars

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It's also all opinion no matter what you say, maybe if it was a cam or blower were their could be some variation but it's just a metal tube with bushings and that's it
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I don't know... Im just going off what people who race professionally say.... I'd rather have a reputable company like steeda, mm, FRPP, agent 47, greggs, bmr... I'm looking at picking up a set w new brackets for $125 shipped
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Re: Quick question about control arms

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L&m gets horrible reviews on most forums ... An the adj brackets are more than just for lowered cars
They are just for more than lowered cars. My comment was just that if he was lowered he definitely needs them for effectiveness of his LCAs.

Almost all parts break under high horsepower.

I love my J&M bars but I don't push the kind of power some of you guys push.
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I'll see if I can dig out what folks are saying about em... It's more than just breaking ... They don't do their job in comparison to others for a little bit more in price ...
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I'll see if I can dig out what folks are saying about em... It's more than just breaking ... They don't do their job in comparison to others for a little bit more in price ...
I doubt it, what's to Engineer in a steel tube with the same bushings all poly ones use

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Next your going try to say kooks is a million times better then pacesetter headers
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I doubt it, what's to Engineer in a steel tube with the same bushings all poly ones use

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Next your going try to say kooks is a million times better then pacesetter headers
Pacesetter headers haven't really been dynoed. So that could very well be the case. Not all parts are created the same.

LCA may be one of those parts that doesn't matter though. I have the J&M bars. They worked immediately in helping handling, road manners and launching.
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Re: Quick question about control arms

Not all Polyurethane is the same, just like other materials. Poly comes in different durometers. Durometer obviously affects the stiffness, but could also explain why some split and some don't.
I'd wouldn't go too cheap on LCA,s. A failure can destroy a lot more than just the LCA.
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The steedas split tho, I few come up and craigslist with split bushing, now as for them completely failing I doubt that's even possible, the only time I EVER heard of a product failing was the upper adjustable control arm, I don't know the brand but it was in a GT500


I can't vouch for the HP of the pacesetters but a few guys run em around here they said the install was easy and have no complaints other then the fact they should of had them powder coated, it's just one of those things where your paying for the name, I'm sure kooks are more of a piece of art but its an exhaust manifold
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Heres a pic the seller sent me of his steeda
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Not all Polyurethane is the same, just like other materials. Poly comes in different durometers. Durometer obviously affects the stiffness, but could also explain why some split and some don't.
I'd wouldn't go too cheap on LCA,s. A failure can destroy a lot more than just the LCA.
I think it depends on your use. Someone who says they had issues may have have had 1000 passes at 5k launches on drs and then someone like myself who has run about 30 times on street tires finds them adequate. There is no doubt the J&M perform equally as good BUT you guys are all correct in at least questioning their longevity.

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The steedas split tho, I few come up and craigslist with split bushing, now as for them completely failing I doubt that's even possible, the only time I EVER heard of a product failing was the upper adjustable control arm, I don't know the brand but it was in a GT500


I can't vouch for the HP of the pacesetters but a few guys run em around here they said the install was easy and have no complaints other then the fact they should of had them powder coated, it's just one of those things where your paying for the name, I'm sure kooks are more of a piece of art but its an exhaust manifold
Unlike Control arms, headers are not just headers. This has been proven dyno after dyno. Some brands net considerably less HP than others. Airflow DOES have a science behind.

As for your LCA, again, I can't say for certain because how could I really know, but I love my J&M bars and see no reason to believe they would fail.

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Heres a pic the seller sent me of his steeda
My J&M look no worse than those.
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Ya some flow better but is there such thing as 2hp worth 500 plus dollars?
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Heres a pic the seller sent me of his steeda

Those don't look like Steeda, they have a grease zerk, which Steeda doesn't have and the poly on the Steeda is black not red. Those may have been modified with zerk's and different bushings.
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Those don't look like Steeda, they have a grease zerk, which Steeda doesn't have and the poly on the Steeda is black not red. Those may have been modified with zerk's and different bushings.
They might not be steeda then! Who's knows it was on Craigslist, let's call in our own Craigslist specialist silversky
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Re: Quick question about control arms

Here is a pic a Steeda.

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Even the picture is broke
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Re: Quick question about control arms

just click on the pdf
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Ya some flow better but is there such thing as 2hp worth 500 plus dollars?
Not 2 HP. Some headers have dynoed 10-15 WHP or Torque over another at various RPM points.

Stainless works, MAC & Kooks Dynos 12WTQ and 14 WHP more at peak over JBA, Hooker & BBK. Worth the money to me. Now, example of design is Stainless Works shows minimal to no gains or even losses at the first few rpm the proceeds to have a larger peak.

Most of the headers with a higher peak were slightly or more than slightly lower on numbers down low. It is a slight trade off. All the headers did have great numbers regardless but in an N/A goal car, 14WHp and Torque is worth the money.

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Here is a pic a Steeda.

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Looks the same to me, I dunno.
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just click on the pdf
I'm on an IPhone4S all I see is a error message on the would be picture
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Looks the same to me, I dunno.[/QUOTE]

There is not supporsed to be a grease zerk and the bushings don't match.
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Ok I looked at it, the welds looks nicer or sure, looks like it was welded then polished down where as the brand X I posted looks like just a quick mig weld
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I'm on an IPhone4S all I see is a error message on the would be picture
I can open it on my 4S. Weird. Life sucks.

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Ok I looked at it, the welds looks nicer or sure, looks like it was welded then polished down where as the brand X I posted looks like just a quick mig weld
That is true. I did not notice that. The Steeda looks cleaner.
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Can you open in the mustangevo APP? I could open it with the skyfire browser tho
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I was not trying to come across like a know it all... I'm sorry if it came off that way... I was just trying to prevent you from potentially making a purchase on a sub par product when I can save you money an get you a better product. I think I'm going to pick up a set of UPR lca today for $60-$70 ... I'm working on a bmr set with brackets for $170 I'm trying to get him down to a $120 ...

As for your header statement ... There are HUGE differences in power, longevity, sound, fitment, rusting... I personally would rather have a less expensive header then no header therefor I would not an did not go with kooks... However I do wish I would have done a tad bit more homework on hooker... The why my headers flow into the x pipe appears to not b designed as well as JBA/bassani/hooker/bbk ect... And I think I'm lacking the power gains most experience from longtubes...

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Im just setting the record straight, you can google search all day and every fourm yet can't find a single bad post about J&,M, in fact most on modded mustang like em

That's said this topic was about which should be done first, brand is opinion that's irrelevant
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Im just setting the record straight, you can google search all day and every fourm yet can't find a single bad post about J&,M, in fact most on modded mustang like em

That's said this topic was about which should be done first, brand is opinion that's irrelevant
I have not personally went out of my way to do so, but I have no reason to believe they would be bad. They have treated me well.
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