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Old 03-22-2008, 02:57 PM   #71
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the SS SC cobalt isnt a slow car for what you get, they run mid 14s stock which is faster than any pre 99 GT Mustang. just FYI no need to bash and put up false information.
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i cant believe you guys are still talking about this..........anyway, i got something better than talk, an actual video of me running a cobalt ss.





cobalt ss- stock. the guy went from a 5-speed v6 stang (that he drove to 14.8 w/ boltons) to this, so he knows how to drive a manual.
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the vid was done by michael and the first few seconds of it is how awesome his car hung with mine :yup:
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now since the vid, the owner of this car did some **** to it and is now in the 13s i believe
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also the vid shows how a non tuned v6 stang holds up with a tuned v6er
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Like SpectorV mentioned, our friend has a SS SC and I just bought a 08 GT. It's only a matter of time till we line up. I'll let you all know when it happens.
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let me drink about 4 NOS energy drinks and ill beat the ss *** on my huffy lol
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let me drink about 4 NOS energy drinks and ill beat the ss *** on my huffy lol
we are talking about the SS SC not just the SS, its a slow car. The SS SC is decently quick for the car~ dont overlook them.
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hmmmmm.... it's still a family car.
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study long, study wrong...

I know these dont have a mopar sticker but there are some BAD *** srt-4s out there... to think dodge put out the stage kits... stage 2 mid-low 12's... for 1500$!!!!!

GM tried to do the same thing but their stage kits only added like 30hp...

dont overlook the mod factor...
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yeah....but still. they drop 1500 into modding them to high 12's, all i did was just add tires. heh...just makes more sense to me to start with power rather than something that i can beat on my bike while it's stock. But then again, I've always been about American Muscle so my thought process is automatically jacked up.
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yeah but i think your sticker was more then theirs!!!...

all im saying is... dont be fooled... ive gotten my *** handed to me by some **** i never thought... thank god most of the time i was driving a Shelby Z ...

Actually the best way to explain it is... before i bought the shelby i ran it in the 65... we went 3/8's mile and he had me by half a fender when i let off.. but before the race i looked his time up... 1987 dodge daytona stock 1/4mile... 15.2 or whatever it is... i run a 14.0 i have this **** beat... little did i know he was running 5psi more boost and had other small mods...
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It's always been...who gets to the finish line first. Not who spent the least amount of money....
I always want to blow the other guy into the weeds...I didn't care what it takes to do that.
They never take a poll or check the amount of money spent on the car at any race I know of.
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all im saying IS price per HP they have us beat...
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i cant believe you guys are still talking about this..........anyway, i got something better than talk, an actual video of me running a cobalt ss.

cobalt ss- stock. the guy went from a 5-speed v6 stang (that he drove to 14.8 w/ boltons) to this, so he knows how to drive a manual.
me- intake, exhaust, udp, and a tune.

the vid was done by michael and the first few seconds of it is how awesome his car hung with mine :yup:
Is that Cobalt a SS/SC or just a 2.4 SS?

The SS/SC's are a bit faster than the 2.4L N/A versions. It looked like a N/A one, but it's hard to tell.
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Price per horsepower? Walk to the track, change into your running shoes, and you have beaten everyone.
There was a guy at Bunker Hill raceway (in Indiana) that had a VW bus that he modified and put a chevy 350 behind the driver and passenger seat, had a 10 bolt rear end (4:10 gears) and drag slicks on the back. Total investment = under $2000.00 It ran 8.3 (1/8th) all day long. He killed a few ZR1's at the track. There is your price per horse power...
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and thats what im saying... youd never expect it out of a bus, neon, or cobalt...

there is always a faster car...
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okay guys....

I was my way home and found one (SS/SC)... or... it found me. I was cruising 80 and he caught me and pulled beside me. There wasn't anyone on the interstate and I don't condone illegal racing but I was curious....so from the roll at 80mph....we got on it. I kicked it into 3rd from there which might not have been the best idea, the response time is a bit lacking. He pulled slightly ahead for a split second then my power kicked in. From the roll, I win. Bad. But, I didn't expect him to hang with me for the short time that he did...So I do have a little respect built towards them.
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okay guys....

I was my way home and found one (SS/SC)... or... it found me. I was cruising 80 and he caught me and pulled beside me. There wasn't anyone on the interstate and I don't condone illegal racing but I was curious....so from the roll at 80mph....we got on it. I kicked it into 3rd from there which might not have been the best idea, the response time is a bit lacking. He pulled slightly ahead for a split second then my power kicked in. From the roll, I win. Bad. But, I didn't expect him to hang with me for the short time that he did...So I do have a little respect built towards them.
alright, with all do respect, "roll racing" from 80 is probably the GHEYEST thing i have ever heard....

and secondly, a cobalt SS/SC will kill a mustang GT or otherwise in the twisties 9 times out of 10...This would be why they are classed in a "higher" stock class than mustangs in the auto-cross world...

I, however, am much more of a fan of racing in the twisties than I am of the whole "racing in a straight line and see who gets there first" drag racing thing...Drag racing is fun to a point, but IMHO, it gets really old after a while...The first 60 feet are really all that matter...

Now, if anyone was ever interested, SCCA has what are called "ProSolo" events which are essentially a combination of "drag" and auto-x racing....Basically you line up at the line and have a typical lit-tree, and youre R/T and such are counted into your overal time...you launch off the line as if you were at the drag strip, and then you enter a whole bunch of twisties as if it were a normal auto-x event...
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I wouldn't exactly say going from 80 is gay, and I definitely wound not say it is the "GHEYEST". Cruising that speed is when I have experienced the most road encounters.
Also, I enjoy the strip as well as autox which is why I have/continue to build my car to respond respectably to both and I'd be hesitant to diss straight line power and acceleration since we are talking about American Muscle here. This is kinda where we excel.
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...well i couldn't just stop and do an actual drag...
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braumab, do you know anything about the dealer Hallum Motors in Marion?
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lol. yeah, i bought my car from there. I know the dealers personally. what's up? got your eyes on that mustang on their lot? it's nice.
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I wouldn't exactly say going from 80 is gay, and I definitely wound not say it is the "GHEYEST". Cruising that speed is when I have experienced the most road encounters.
Also, I enjoy the strip as well as autox which is why I have/continue to build my car to respond respectably to both and I'd be hesitant to diss straight line power and acceleration since we are talking about American Muscle here. This is kinda where we excel.
Roll racing at 80 is an S197 is ghey because you are in a very bad spot in the car's power band...as brauma said, he had to shift to third to get the most power, but at the speed, the 3 shift is so short, its nearly pointless, but if you keep it in 4th, the car will be guaranteed to bog down...hence the reason it was a ghey race, whether he won or not...

And as far as building a car to be "respectable" in both, you are, in all honesty, wasting your time (and money) IMHO...you will just have an alright car with lots of money in it, but it will still get beaten handily by most cars that are built specifically for one or the other...

Oh, and i had to break it to you my friend, "american muscle" as it were no longer really excels in anything...generally speaking, the american moto is to increase power, you must increase displacement...which is why we are still riding around in the same basic power-plants that we have been for years...

Other manufacturers are making just as much if not more power/torque out of much smaller power plants, and there are plenty of "non-american muscle" cars that can wipe the floor with us...whether it being straight line drag or curved-road racing...

While I must say my S197 is probably one of the more fun cars to drive that i have ever been in, it's definitely no where near the top as far as handling, power, reliability, etc...But that is what i enjoy about it so much...Because the car is such a big and handles so poorly, It actually requires skill to be good at driving it...which is what makes it a blast to drive...
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lol. yeah, i bought my car from there. I know the dealers personally. what's up? got your eyes on that mustang on their lot? it's nice.
Actually I am looking at the Escalade. I spoke with Kent, but it isn't looking good because of the payoff on my Avalanche.
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ah, the escalade. I think I sent you an e-mail about that.
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Roll racing at 80 is an S197 is ghey because you are in a very bad spot in the car's power band...as brauma said, he had to shift to third to get the most power, but at the speed, the 3 shift is so short, its nearly pointless, but if you keep it in 4th, the car will be guaranteed to bog down...hence the reason it was a ghey race, whether he won or not...

And as far as building a car to be "respectable" in both, you are, in all honesty, wasting your time (and money) IMHO...you will just have an alright car with lots of money in it, but it will still get beaten handily by most cars that are built specifically for one or the other...

Oh, and i had to break it to you my friend, "american muscle" as it were no longer really excels in anything...generally speaking, the american moto is to increase power, you must increase displacement...which is why we are still riding around in the same basic power-plants that we have been for years...

Other manufacturers are making just as much if not more power/torque out of much smaller power plants, and there are plenty of "non-american muscle" cars that can wipe the floor with us...whether it being straight line drag or curved-road racing...

While I must say my S197 is probably one of the more fun cars to drive that i have ever been in, it's definitely no where near the top as far as handling, power, reliability, etc...But that is what i enjoy about it so much...Because the car is such a big and handles so poorly, It actually requires skill to be good at driving it...which is what makes it a blast to drive...
I believe I chose my words very carefully when I said it is "respectable". I know I will not be the grand champion of either but I am not looking to beat records, merely the large majority of people I encounter, which I do.

Yes, you are corect, American Muscle no longer exists. God knows the Shelby GT500 is not an icon with the 5.4 and could never win a drag race. The ZR1 is not amazing with a 6.2 and would suck on a course. Oh, and that Challenger SRT8 will be nothing with the 6.1. You're right, I will pay twice as much for foreign cars that don't do twice as much. :swordfigh
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IMHO..... if i wanted to race the twistys i would buy a Lotus Elise. But i like strait line performance thats why i own 4 mustangs. now dont get me wrong i wouldnt mind a double duty car but i stick with is most avilable in my area. oh and for the american autos being behind in power i got one word for you......terminator and for the road course i have 3 words for you 00 cobra r.
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ah, the escalade. I think I sent you an e-mail about that.
I got to work this morning to read an email stating that our email isn't working real well here on the base. Could you PM me?

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IMHO..... if i wanted to race the twistys i would buy a Lotus Elise. But i like strait line performance thats why i own 4 mustangs. now dont get me wrong i wouldnt mind a double duty car but i stick with is most avilable in my area. oh and for the american autos being behind in power i got one word for you......terminator and for the road course i have 3 words for you 00 cobra r.
Mustangs do fine in the twisty's trust me i live within 1 hr of 421 mountain and the dragon.
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+1 even though i live in indiana im from the mountians of west virginia... and there isnt much more fun then to beat *** up some mountian roads (with v-8 torque )
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i know this sounds wrong but i like to keep my driving the twistys to the road. back woods country roads are what i grew up around. my wifes 98 has full eibach sys with a sturt tower brace ect ect, and with it being a v6 its light and the only corner i have to drop below 100 is the one that says 40, and she will take that one at 85. lol i need to make a video of it, "filmed entirely in mexico of course" lol
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i know this sounds wrong but i like to keep my driving the twistys to the road. back woods country roads are what i grew up around. my wifes 98 has full eibach sys with a sturt tower brace ect ect, and with it being a v6 its light and the only corner i have to drop below 100 is the one that says 40, and she will take that one at 85. lol i need to make a video of it, "filmed entirely in mexico of course" lol
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