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Old 07-31-2012, 06:58 PM   #1
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Torque over Horsepower

I want to build my car in the future. I keep hearing about all the mods and how much horsepower they will make, but no one talks about what makes more torque. I want to do the mods that make more torque. Maybe I am new and missed all those threads? Wondering what mods will increase torque faster? Thanks
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your car already has higher tq output than hp output, and many mods do increase both, just do more for hp, and more people are familiar with hp than tq so hp is used to rate how much power is gained. also, many people on here like to go fast, tq does not make you faster, just makes you accelerate harder. you really wanna work on having a "fat" tq curve and high hp
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Thanks for the info. Yeah, I am just used to feeling the torque and prefer that over speed. I wanna be yanked back in my seat. Lol

---------- Post added at 08:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:07 PM ----------

I will always love Mustangs the more than anything else, but I do miss the the feeling my Firebird gave me. I had a 97 Firebird Formula bone stock with only SLP axle back. When I slammed the gas down, it felt like it had more throw me back in the seat then my 06 GT. They were rated the same in HP, but felt different.
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HP can = speed but torque almost always = fun. I'd rather have more torque than HP any day. Who cares if you just burn tires and make a lot of noise. It's AWESOME
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Carroll shelby- "horsepower sells cars but torque wins races"
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Re: Torque over Horsepower

by no means am I discounting tq as something that's necessary or awesome, just saying that by increasing hp, you're generally also increasing tq. with that said there are mods that can decrease tq (at least for the 5.0 there is) but you can really only get so much tq out of a motor before you either increase displacement or go FI. I love tq too lol
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I love the torque in my car factory rated at 215 hp and 285 tq, not high by today's standards, but still plenty for any 17 year old. The feeling of having a car with more torque than hp is wonderful.
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If you want fast xcel just swap gears to couple steps past what you have n bang instant torque to seat of your pants performance. If u have 3:23 or 3:55 go with 3:73 n not loss street ability. If an auto just bite it n add 4:11/4:10. By far cheapest bang per buck
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by no means am I discounting tq as something that's necessary or awesome, just saying that by increasing hp, you're generally also increasing tq. with that said there are mods that can decrease tq (at least for the 5.0 there is) but you can really only get so much tq out of a motor before you either increase displacement or go FI. I love tq too lol
What is this FI you speak of? I've heard it a few times.
And displacement?
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What is this FI you speak of? I've heard it a few times.
And displacement?
Forced induction- superchargers,tubros
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Yeah, I was thinking about doing gears too. I wonder if I went to a 4:10 setup, if I would really lose that much. My Mustang is luckly only a fun toy. Not a DD for me. I do take it on the highway from time to time, but not far.
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Yeah, I was thinking about doing gears too. I wonder if I went to a 4:10 setup, if I would really lose that much. My Mustang is luckly only a fun toy. Not a DD for me. I do take it on the highway from time to time, but not far.
You might not like the way it drives, but your not gona loose anything. Your gonna gain that seat of the pants feel.
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Thats what I am scared of. I used to have a 94 GT with 4:10's, but it was an automatic. I was thinking 4:10's in my 5 speed might be a bit much. Would 3:73's be a big difference from stock though?
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What is this FI you speak of? I've heard it a few times.
And displacement?
Displacement is the combined size of all the cylinders, usually either in liters or cubic inches, i.e. 4.6 is 4.6 liters and 281 is 281 cubic inches.
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Thats what I am scared of. I used to have a 94 GT with 4:10's, but it was an automatic. I was thinking 4:10's in my 5 speed might be a bit much. Would 3:73's be a big difference from stock though?
Your gonna get all kinds of answers. I installed 4.10s and wish ida went with 3.73s. Either way your it will be a big difference over stock.
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Torque deff better. Mine tops my hp by 40 lbft
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Thats what I am scared of. I used to have a 94 GT with 4:10's, but it was an automatic. I was thinking 4:10's in my 5 speed might be a bit much. Would 3:73's be a big difference from stock though?
I had the same debate and went with the 4.10's. My MPG went down... Again... But if I wanted MPG's, I'd have a Harley for a DD. I'm glad I went with the 4.10's. You will lose a little bit of drivability, and it will take a little getting used to if you are going from 3.31's, but it will definitely put your butt back in the seat!
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Thats what I am scared of. I used to have a 94 GT with 4:10's, but it was an automatic. I was thinking 4:10's in my 5 speed might be a bit much. Would 3:73's be a big difference from stock though?
What "BenGT07" said was accurate, About the 4.10s. Huge difference from Stock and will plant you in your seat. You will get use to them, just take your time, But with a stick, you might wanna consider the 3.73s more, I heard for a stick they are better. And with 4.10s you will loose some MPGs, especially on the HWY.
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Displacement is the combined size of all the cylinders, usually either in liters or cubic inches, i.e. 4.6 is 4.6 liters and 281 is 281 cubic inches.
Oh ok so size of the engine, yes?
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Thanks for the advice from everyone...

It has been a long time since I have done any real modding. Just trying to catch up to speed again.
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Thats what I am scared of. I used to have a 94 GT with 4:10's, but it was an automatic. I was thinking 4:10's in my 5 speed might be a bit much. Would 3:73's be a big difference from stock though?
Someone correct me if Im wrong but I was under the understanding that the stock rear gears in the 05/09 gt was 3:55 for the 5spd manual and 3:31 for the automatic I you have an automatic going from 3:31 to 4:10 is a major difference and because of the gear ratios in the auto you will run higer rpm then the 5 spd car at hiway speeds. 3:73 would seam to be a better choise for DD automatics.
For the 5spd cars going from a stock 3:55 to a 3:73 will not be much of a change but granted it will pull harder then the stock 3:55 4:10s for the 5spd cars would seam to me to be the best bang for the buck most reviews I have read say rpm at hiway are only up by a few hundred rpm but thats just my take on the subject and Im by no means an expert
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Someone correct me if Im wrong but I was under the understanding that the stock rear gears in the 05/09 gt was 3:55 for the 5spd manual and 3:31 for the automatic I you have an automatic going from 3:31 to 4:10 is a major difference and because of the gear ratios in the auto you will run higer rpm then the 5 spd car at hiway speeds. 3:73 would seam to be a better choise for DD automatics.
For the 5spd cars going from a stock 3:55 to a 3:73 will not be much of a change but granted it will pull harder then the stock 3:55 4:10s for the 5spd cars would seam to me to be the best bang for the buck most reviews I have read say rpm at hiway are only up by a few hundred rpm but thats just my take on the subject and Im by no means an expert
4.10's in my auto. I should have gone with 4.53 if I had the chance I'd do it. You loose out a little on the top end but I'm never going to be driving over 100 anyway. Mines 100% a daily driver
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Brenspeed has a good explaination on different gear setups. They also are offering 20% off, on gears and or installation kits. You have to enter "20offgears" to get it.
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your car already has higher tq output than hp output, and many mods do increase both, just do more for hp, and more people are familiar with hp than tq so hp is used to rate how much power is gained. also, many people on here like to go fast, tq does not make you faster, just makes you accelerate harder. you really wanna work on having a "fat" tq curve and high hp
Agreed. Torque is what hauls you up to your HP band.

Engines do NOT make HP. They make torque. HP is a result of torque multiplication as the engine revs higher and higher. Thankfully, our engines produce an awesome curve, seamlessly between each figure stock or modded.
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Agreed. Torque is what hauls you up to your HP band.

Engines do NOT make HP. They make torque. HP is a result of torque multiplication as the engine revs higher and higher. Thankfully, our engines produce an awesome curve, seamlessly between each figure stock or modded.
Whoa whoa whoa,,,, whoa. I so did not know this
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If you want fast xcel just swap gears to couple steps past what you have n bang instant torque to seat of your pants performance. If u have 3:23 or 3:55 go with 3:73 n not loss street ability. If an auto just bite it n add 4:11/4:10. By far cheapest bang per buck
what gears should i put in my car 98 v6 2.73 gears but completly stock just wondering its an auto
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what gears should i put in my car 98 v6 2.73 gears but completly stock just wondering its an auto
Brenspeed has good info on ther site, check it out.
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what gears should i put in my car 98 v6 2.73 gears but completly stock just wondering its an auto
Go 4.56s... It will feel like going from a 4 banger to a Vette.
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