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Old 08-08-2012, 11:55 AM   #36
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That blows man. Nice dyno numbers that don't translate to the track... I'm going Friday if I can find a damn helmet, so hopefully I don't have the same issue.
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That blows man. Nice dyno numbers that don't translate to the track... I'm going Friday if I can find a damn helmet, so hopefully I don't have the same issue.
Well like I said, after going to the email tune at home, throttle response was back to awesome and it pulled nice and loud to 6800 with no let up.

Chris Tillman is a great guy, I am sure there is SOMETHING somewhere in the tune that is a little screwed up. Maybe even the actual file itself is screwed, not the settings.

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According to Drag Times there is hope. DA according to their calculator was
1660.

A far cry from the actual 33.

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Stock and Mildly Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
12.784 @ 111.108 MPH

Extensively Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
12.89 @ 110.293 MPH

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12.747 @ 109.98 with dragtimes DA calculator, it was 1943 feet for this run. Their conversion was 12.463 @ 112.543 MPH.

My 60 foot was 1.894 on this one.

As humidity went up as the night progressed I made a slightly quicker pass with less MPH.

12.737 @ 109.08 with a 1.815 60' time! DA for that run was 1878 and conversion was 12.464 @ 111.523 MPH.

The reason the DA plays a huge role is because the track is 90 feet above sea level and the humidity has our DA at 1800+ Feet above sea level.

I then hot lapped that 12.737 and nailed a 1.813 60' foot. Best ever, but at that point the tranny wasn't happy and I couldn't get it into ANY GEAR without trying multiple times. Ran 13.929 @ 101.38 missing every single gear lol. Such a waste of a run since it was my best 60 to date.

I had one other run with a 1.820 60' foot time but missed 4th then let off and shifted to 5th and STILL ran a 13.037 @ 92.02.

I ran several other times but launch technique experiments ruin all the runs so I only posted those with either good times or new best 60' foot times.

Street tires and 1.81 60' foot times. I'm definitely happy about that!!
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I'm new to traction control... Do you guys race at the track with it? I hate to ask such a dumb question, but you guys see more track time then I might ever see. Thanks
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I'm new to traction control... Do you guys race at the track with it? I hate to ask such a dumb question, but you guys see more track time then I might ever see. Thanks
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Yes, off. The Traction control cuts the power so hard that it slows you down tremendously.
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That's what I thought. Thanks
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12.747 @ 109.98 with dragtimes DA calculator, it was 1943 feet for this run. They're conversion was 12.463 @ 112.543 MPH.

My 60 foot was 1.894 on this one.

As humidity went up as the night progressed I made a slightly quicker pass with less MPH.

12.737 @ 109.08 with a 1.815 60' time! DA for that run was 1878 and conversion was 12.464 @ 111.523 MPH.

The reason the DA plays a huge role is because the track is 90 feet above sea level and the humidity has our DA at 1800+ Feet above sea level.

I then hot lapped that 12.737 and nailed a 1.813 60' foot. Best ever, but at that point the tranny wasn't happy and I couldn't get it into ANY GEAR without trying multiple times. Ran 13.929 @ 101.38 missing every single gear lol. Such a waste of a run since it was my best 60 to date.

I had one other run with a 1.820 60' foot time but missed 4th then let off and shifted to 5th and STILL ran a 13.037 @ 92.02.

I ran several other times but launch technique experiments ruin all the runs so I only posted those with either good times or new best 60' foot times.

Street tires and 1.81 60' foot times. I'm definitely happy about that!!
Nice! I don't get to go again this weekend... Stupid work.
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12.747 @ 109.98 with dragtimes DA calculator, it was 1943 feet for this run. Their conversion was 12.463 @ 112.543 MPH.

My 60 foot was 1.894 on this one.

As humidity went up as the night progressed I made a slightly quicker pass with less MPH.

12.737 @ 109.08 with a 1.815 60' time! DA for that run was 1878 and conversion was 12.464 @ 111.523 MPH.

The reason the DA plays a huge role is because the track is 90 feet above sea level and the humidity has our DA at 1800+ Feet above sea level.

I then hot lapped that 12.737 and nailed a 1.813 60' foot. Best ever, but at that point the tranny wasn't happy and I couldn't get it into ANY GEAR without trying multiple times. Ran 13.929 @ 101.38 missing every single gear lol. Such a waste of a run since it was my best 60 to date.

I had one other run with a 1.820 60' foot time but missed 4th then let off and shifted to 5th and STILL ran a 13.037 @ 92.02.

I ran several other times but launch technique experiments ruin all the runs so I only posted those with either good times or new best 60' foot times.

Street tires and 1.81 60' foot times. I'm definitely happy about that!!
Sounds like the clutch was really hot and slipping
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Re: Bolt on N/A Dyno with Detroit Rocker cams.

Definitely was.
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12.73 and you backed it up, good job

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Yes, Launching at 5k seems to be the best way for me to get my 1.81s. I was doing 4k launches before this week and tried 5k and it worked best. 5500 was the threshold breaker apparently. It would roast them at 5500 haha
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Yes, Launching at 5k seems to be the best way for me to get my 1.81s. I was doing 4k launches before this week and tried 5k and it worked best. 5500 was the threshold breaker apparently. It would roast them at 5500 haha
That's amazing with only street tires, what kind of tires are you running? How do they hook when launching at 5K?
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That's amazing with only street tires, what kind of tires are you running? How do they hook when launching at 5K?
+1. I've never been able to launch even close to that high. Mine rip loose and I'm getting jiggy all over the track if I launch at much over 4k.
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Nitto 555 street tires. 275/40. I am running 35 PSI. It 'hooks' almost immediately but the key is slipping. You have to slip (well, I have to slip) the clutch for the first few feet and mph then dump and mash. 0 Wheel spin but if I don't do it right, major wheel spin. I am getting better at being consistent.
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Nitto 555 street tires. 275/40. I am running 35 PSI. It 'hooks' almost immediately but the key is slipping. You have to slip (well, I have to slip) the clutch for the first few feet and mph then dump and mash. 0 Wheel spin but if I don't do it right, major wheel spin. I am getting better at being consistent.
So you're basically burning the crap out of your clutch by doing that.
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So you're basically burning the crap out of your clutch by doing that.
No. For a split second, sure the clutch is 'burning' but I dump it the minute the car lunges forward.

I would rather replace the clutch than the driveshaft or rear.
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Anyone worried about the clutch shouldn't be racing in the first place, It's part of it.
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I agree. Unfortunately, racing is an assumed risk.
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Anyone worried about the clutch shouldn't be racing in the first place, It's part of it.
I think that everyone should always be worried about breaking something, but able and willing to replace anything that does break
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I think that everyone should always be worried about breaking something, but able and willing to replace anything that does break
Best yet not always easy to here... don't track a dd

It's killing me seeing/ hearing people say 3v run mid to low 13s and some times high 13s

And I love competition but I'm not in a position to be w/o a car so I don't run her yet...

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Best yet not always easy to here... don't track a dd

It's killing me seeing/ hearing people say 3v run mid to low 13s and some times high 13s

And I love competition but I'm not in a position to be w/o a car so I don't run her yet...

Once my daily is in place turn on your camera folks Iol
This is a confusing post lol.

3Vs do run mid 13s.
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Best yet not always easy to here... don't track a dd

It's killing me seeing/ hearing people say 3v run mid to low 13s and some times high 13s

And I love competition but I'm not in a position to be w/o a car so I don't run her yet...

Once my daily is in place turn on your camera folks Iol
What do 3Vs run? And a day at the track won't hurt a thing unless your doing redline dumps
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I know 3v run mid 13s... I think hitting low 13s should be the norm not mid....

Hard high rpm shifting combined w hard launches cause multiple problems w daily driven cars...
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I know 3v run mid 13s... I think hitting low 13s should be the norm not mid....

Hard high rpm shifting combined w hard launches cause multiple problems w daily driven cars...
Daily driving causes more damage then 3-4 1/4 passes
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I know 3v run mid 13s... I think hitting low 13s should be the norm not mid....

Hard high rpm shifting combined w hard launches cause multiple problems w daily driven cars...
Why should low 13s be the norm? A 3v is a mid 13 second car in GREAT hands. Average will be 13.6-13.8 with GOOD drivers. I don't see how its gearing, power, and weight allow for anything better than mid 13s. 100% Showroom stock.
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12.8-13.3 has been achieved in stock 05-09 gts

I did not do a good job explaining myself... I was hoping to hit a 12.4 in my current set up... my whole point to all that was just the simple fact I think my car back when it was stock gt w simple weight reduction such as remove spare,giant board covering tire ect... plus lower tire pressure and never let off the throttle once launching is perfected...

I ran a 12.9 in a 97 cobra (a low 14 sec stock car...supposedly)
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And some hand me down street tires lol (high-school... all my extra money went towards the loan on the car, could not afford tires... I went through em monthly lol

I power shifted the ever living s#&t out of that car and I had my r/t dialed in... I won regional junior (high school ) bracket racing turnament.at Texas motor speed way in the fall of 2002-2003 if I remember right ... but combined w my hard daily commutes to and from friends, party's, work, school, track,street races (back in 2003 mods...) and my needy girlfriend now wife lol, I broke that thing all the time... I hit a 12.9 once shortly after the Trany swap but soon after cracked the crank...

Moral of all this... after 5 mustang's and thousands of dollars in repairs I came to this conclusion I drive cars way too hard while at the track trying to not only compete with myself but also the car next to me and the media and or opinions of folks online... (back then I was on dfwstangs.net) when somebody would say "your just a punk kid who does not know what your doing, you can't even break 13s " I would go over and beyond to prove them wrong

This car is ten fold better taken care of, however my chosen career path has me driving twice the miles put on a car based on the national average... I know once I hit the staging lanes that kid will come out in me and that will be problematic ... here's how I see it going down
First few runs I will just try to get a feel for the launching and relearn the light... I'll proly hit a mid 13 the first few times ... then I'll get the r/t and launch down hit low 13s or high 12s.... I will not be happy w that so I'll attempt to power shift this dumb a$$ honda-esk remote shifter trany with flimsy camaro /Nissan altima clutch and break everything...

Sorry for this long winded story... I brought up the mid 13 sec stuff because based on my prior dealings w quarter Mile runs in many many cars, these year Stangs just don't feel like a mid 13 sec cars... I'm used to fantastic track conditions here in tx... so I understand folks in other parts of the country hitting those numbers but I think low 13s is more than doable not to mention all the videos and Wright ups on s197forum for how to hit 12s n stock 05-09 gts
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12.8-13.3 has been achieved in stock 05-09 gts

I did not do a good job explaining myself... I was hoping to hit a 12.4 in my current set up... my whole point to all that was just the simple fact I think my car back when it was stock gt w simple weight reduction such as remove spare,giant board covering tire ect... plus lower tire pressure and never let off the throttle once launching is perfected...

I ran a 12.9 in a 97 cobra (a low 14 sec stock car...supposedly)
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And some hand me down street tires lol (high-school... all my extra money went towards the loan on the car, could not afford tires... I went through em monthly lol

I power shifted the ever living s#&t out of that car and I had my r/t dialed in... I won regional junior (high school ) bracket racing turnament.at Texas motor speed way in the fall of 2002-2003 if I remember right ... but combined w my hard daily commutes to and from friends, party's, work, school, track,street races (back in 2003 mods...) and my needy girlfriend now wife lol, I broke that thing all the time... I hit a 12.9 once shortly after the Trany swap but soon after cracked the crank...

Moral of all this... after 5 mustang's and thousands of dollars in repairs I came to this conclusion I drive cars way too hard while at the track trying to not only compete with myself but also the car next to me and the media and or opinions of folks online... (back then I was on dfwstangs.net) when somebody would say "your just a punk kid who does not know what your doing, you can't even break 13s " I would go over and beyond to prove them wrong

This car is ten fold better taken care of, however my chosen career path has me driving twice the miles put on a car based on the national average... I know once I hit the staging lanes that kid will come out in me and that will be problematic ... here's how I see it going down
First few runs I will just try to get a feel for the launching and relearn the light... I'll proly hit a mid 13 the first few times ... then I'll get the r/t and launch down hit low 13s or high 12s.... I will not be happy w that so I'll attempt to power shift this dumb a$$ honda-esk remote shifter trany with flimsy camaro /Nissan altima clutch and break everything...

Sorry for this long winded story... I brought up the mid 13 sec stuff because based on my prior dealings w quarter Mile runs in many many cars, these year Stangs just don't feel like a mid 13 sec cars... I'm used to fantastic track conditions here in tx... so I understand folks in other parts of the country hitting those numbers but I think low 13s is more than doable not to mention all the videos and Wright ups on s197forum for how to hit 12s n stock 05-09 gts
Now, let me get this in the air now, this is just me debating with you, not arguing so you, nor anyone else starts adding .02 cents that contribute no VERIFIABLE information. Deal ? lol

Show us the slips to these 100% stock 3Vs in the 12.8s. I can see a 13.3 with a lucky run in negative DA. That is a stretch, too. I have seen people claim these times but do not have slips or videos. Slips being more important. Especially if you run such a crazy good time that you and I both know we would keep those slips.

Your 12.9 in your cobra makes sense. Aluminum drive shaft and 4.10s with a fantastic launch would get you a 12.99 in good air. At 300HP, a 97 Cobra should be much deeper than 14.0-14.2. More like mid 13s seeing that it is a little lighter than the 3V at 3300+ lbs and the jump to 4.10s from 3.27s would be awesome.

I have been trying to find those threads on s197 but no luck.
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I'll see what I can dig up... if u look up a 97 cobra I think it's 13.8 -14

As for the 3v times the high 12s is based on internet stuff I've read... I have not seen it in person the times I think I could run is purely speculation on my part... again I drive the dog piss out of cars at the track... and I'll break them trying to get times otherwise impossible... I hit a 13.9 in a dumb Nissan sentra ser spec v w a intake... again average stock was 14.5 I blew the clutch up 2nd night ... and the car was a month old: -(
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I'll see what I can dig up... if u look up a 97 cobra I think it's 13.8 -14

As for the 3v times the high 12s is based on internet stuff I've read... I have not seen it in person the times I think I could run is purely speculation on my part... again I drive the dog piss out of cars at the track... and I'll break them trying to get times otherwise impossible... I hit a 13.9 in a dumb Nissan sentra ser spec v w a intake... again average stock was 14.5 I blew the clutch up 2nd night ... and the car was a month old: -(
12.4 ain't going to happen you'll die trying to stay in the high 12s if you can even get there, and what do you expect a rice burner to do? I haven't seen an import handle abuse like a RWD V8 car ever
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Old 08-22-2012, 01:54 PM   #67
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I'll see what I can dig up... if u look up a 97 cobra I think it's 13.8 -14

As for the 3v times the high 12s is based on internet stuff I've read... I have not seen it in person the times I think I could run is purely speculation on my part... again I drive the dog piss out of cars at the track... and I'll break them trying to get times otherwise impossible... I hit a 13.9 in a dumb Nissan sentra ser spec v w a intake... again average stock was 14.5 I blew the clutch up 2nd night ... and the car was a month old: -(
13.9? Slip? See the trend? lol

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12.4 ain't going to happen you'll die trying to stay in the high 12s if you can even get there, and what do you expect a rice burner to do? I haven't seen an import handle abuse like a RWD V8 car ever
12.4 with what mods?
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Did you just say I can't hit high 12s in a full bolt on 07? Lol OK.... so you hit 13.1 w off road x intake and tune but I can't hit 12s w
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Did you just say I can't hit high 12s in a full bolt on 07? Lol OK.... so you hit 13.1 w off road x intake and tune but I can't hit 12s w
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I have gears too which is a big diff, I personally can't say your a good driver or not but I doubt you get 12s maybe on a good day
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Did you just say I can't hit high 12s in a full bolt on 07? Lol OK.... so you hit 13.1 w off road x intake and tune but I can't hit 12s w
Lt
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I have gears too which is a big diff, I personally can't say your a good driver or not but I doubt you get 12s maybe on a good day
If you haven't noticed all my vids. I hit 12s with JUST Pypes Full exhaust, intake /tune and 4.10s. 12.871 @ 108.08 MPH with a 1.873 60' on STREET tires. If Silversky has DRs he will probably see 12s easy. If he has street tires, he would probably possibly see a 12.99 give or take.

I agree that 4.10s is a big mod he doesn't have but 12.99 should be ok. The TB is negligible.
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