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Old 02-13-2013, 07:14 AM   #1
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Best HP TO $ ratio.

I've got gears,110mm C&L Cai,Long tube headers,Dyno tuned. Whats my next and best bang for my buck to get the best HP/Torque gain. ( I've Already got 125 shot NOS)
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Since you've already got headsets I'd say you would see a pretty nice gain from some good cams. You're at the point where the next mods are pretty expensive lol

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Outside of a $300 Cai,they were all expensive! LOL I was leaning towards cams. Anyone know what kind of gains ill get from them?
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I got 70hp from hotrod cams and LT headers
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I got 70hp from hotrod cams and LT headers
At the rear wheel? 20 of that was headers ill assume. So 50rhp gain from cams? That's equivalent to 1RHP per $21.00. After performance shop does install and retune. Triple that cost if your talking flywheel HP. What was your torque gain?

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That's a pretty kick a$$ return on your $...thanks for the info btw
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At the rear wheel? 20 of that was headers ill assume. So 50rhp gain from cams? That's equivalent to 1RHP per $21.00. After performance shop does install and retune. Triple that cost if your talking flywheel HP. What was your torque gain?

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That's a pretty kick a$$ return on your $...thanks for the info btw
I would realistically think 30-35 HP from just cams.. I'm probably going to cam my GT next week with FRPP hot rods. I don't have LT's so it'll be interesting to see what I gain
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I'd finish your exhaust. Offroad Midpipe would be my next mod.
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PLUS you get that BAD *** cam sound. That right there is worth half the price!
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Yep hot rods would be worth it
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I have high flow cats, xpipe and pypes violators. I wanna say 340ish torque.
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Brenspeed cam yields bigger gains then FRPP cams
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Brenspeed cam yields bigger gains then FRPP cams
Plus you don't need phase limiters, they work with the stock VCT. They were designed to work with a fairly stock engine.
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Plus you don't need phase limiters, they work with the stock VCT. They were designed to work with a fairly stock engine.
I didn't need phase limiter either. All stock workings
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I got 70hp from hotrod cams and LT headers
That is IMPOSSIBLE without heads. If you do not have heads, you did not gain 70HP from FRPP cams and LTs
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I have high flow cats, xpipe and pypes violators. I wanna say 340ish torque.


Do the high flow cats pass state inspections? When I do exhaust that one thing I would love to change out.
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Do the high flow cats pass state inspections? When I do exhaust that one thing I would love to change out.
Mine did. They are kinda pricy tho
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Do the high flow cats pass state inspections? When I do exhaust that one thing I would love to change out.
Yes they do.

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That is IMPOSSIBLE without heads. If you do not have heads, you did not gain 70HP from FRPP cams and LTs
I promise you after I got those installed and tuned that IS what I gained over stock.
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Yes they do.

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I promise you after I got those installed and tuned that IS what I gained over stock.
Where is your dyno and list of mods?

FRPP cams and headers will NOT give you those gains. WILL NOT. SC cars barely touch those numbers. This is an instant where the dyno did, absolutely, undoubtedly lie to you. Even as a tuning tool, if would be wrong since the before and gain difference would still not be 70WHP.

Dyno and/or slips.

FRRP Cam and LTs are good for about 35-45HP at best. If the car was not tuned before thismthen maybe 50-55WHP in the very best scenario on this planet we call Earth.

"Over stock" would suggest you were stock, then added cams and LTs plus a tune. That means you would be around 330WHP, that with just those 2 mods over stock, you CERTAINLY would not be.
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Look, you can say that all you want. I'm not an expert on parts or engines, but I am certain of what I got from my stock HP to getting cams, changing my exhaust and adding a CAI. I could read the numbers on the computer with the before numbers then the numbers after the install and tune. I would happily admit my engine was poorly tuned resulting in lower 'stock' HP if that was the case and being the second owner that is a possibility considering how adamant you are that it is impossible.
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Look, you can say that all you want. I'm not an expert on parts or engines,
Exactly. I am telling you, your car did not gain 70 HP from cams and headers. Period.

The dyno may have SHOWN that. But the car did not gain that. Not to mention you've added a part since your initial claim. You first stated 70 HP over stock with FRPP cams and headers, but now there is an intake involved.

Where is this dyno sheet? Did you "lose" it?
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I'm not saying he did but I always laugh when I have people telling me how they can beet my stang because they are making some crazy HP but they have always "lost" their dyno sheets. Funny how that happens lol
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I'm not saying he did but I always laugh when I have people telling me how they can beet my stang because they are making some crazy HP but they have always "lost" their dyno sheets. Funny how that happens lol
ET is the only "number" that matters.
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No sir, I was not given a 'dyno' sheet. I'm not trying to sound like some hard *** and try to impress anyone either. I just don't understand how I'm assumed to be a lying or talking up my car. Personally I did the mods for the sound and when we looked at the numbers it was like an added bonus for me. I also said I'm no expert so it is possible I'm mistaken although I'm 100% sure my before was only like 250 and my after was 320ish. Please don't just assume I'm one of these idiots that talk **** to look good.
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Exactly. I am telling you, your car did not gain 70 HP from cams and headers. Period.

The dyno may have SHOWN that. But the car did not gain that. Not to mention you've added a part since your initial claim. You first stated 70 HP over stock with FRPP cams and headers, but now there is an intake involved.

Where is this dyno sheet? Did you "lose" it?
Also the CAI was a previous mod. Hence my not mentioning it the first time.
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Also the CAI was a previous mod. Hence my not mentioning it the first time.
What was your first Dyno results? A stock GT has about 251rhp. That was my base Dyno aswel. I did LT headers,CAI,gear(nonfactor) and Dyno tuned by the man who helped write the Ford program. I walked away with 327RHP from those three nods,plus 340ft lb torque. Added nos and got an additional 100RHP with a 125 shot. These are facts and ill gladly share test.
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Exactly. I am telling you, your car did not gain 70 HP from cams and headers. Period.

The dyno may have SHOWN that. But the car did not gain that. Not to mention you've added a part since your initial claim. You first stated 70 HP over stock with FRPP cams and headers, but now there is an intake involved.

Where is this dyno sheet? Did you "lose" it?
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What was your first Dyno results? A stock GT has about 251rhp. That was my base Dyno aswel. I did LT headers,CAI,gear(nonfactor) and Dyno tuned by the man who helped write the Ford program. I walked away with 327RHP from those three nods,plus 340ft lb torque. Added nos and got an additional 100RHP with a 125 shot. These are facts and ill gladly share test.
My first one I honestly do not remember and the shop I took it to (which belongs to an old coworker) has never mentioned a slip to me. I don't doubt your gains. I'm definitely not the person to tell someone they didn't get a certain amount of gain.
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Thats crazy you gained that much just with headers and intake.
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I would def go with cams. Detroit rockers supposedly puts up more hp than frpp. Research it.
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No sir, I was not given a 'dyno' sheet. I'm not trying to sound like some hard *** and try to impress anyone either. I just don't understand how I'm assumed to be a lying or talking up my car. Personally I did the mods for the sound and when we looked at the numbers it was like an added bonus for me. I also said I'm no expert so it is possible I'm mistaken although I'm 100% sure my before was only like 250 and my after was 320ish. Please don't just assume I'm one of these idiots that talk **** to look good.
What I am saying is that you did not gain that much HP NO MATTER WHAT THE DYNO SAID. Period. This is a fact. I never called you a liar. I said your car did not make that much HP. And it absolutely did not. The dyno may have READ that, but it didn't make that. If it makes you feel better CORYSGT's claims are incredibily more ridiculous.

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What was your first Dyno results? A stock GT has about 251rhp. That was my base Dyno aswel. I did LT headers,CAI,gear(nonfactor) and Dyno tuned by the man who helped write the Ford program. I walked away with 327RHP from those three nods,plus 340ft lb torque. Added nos and got an additional 100RHP with a 125 shot. These are facts and ill gladly share test.
ALSO inflated DYNO numbers. The BOTH of you got completely played and lied to your face. Period. Intake/LTs and tune are not worth 75+WHP.

"helped write the Ford program". Who? Evidence? His claim?

You guys are delusional. I have no doubt your dynos read those numbers, but there is NO DOUBT the dyno lied. Most likely deliberately calibrated to lie by the owner of said dyno.

No one is trying to rag you guys, simply educate you guys. Those results are simply not possible.
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How do you know what u gained I'd you don't know your original?..

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How do you know what u gained I'd you don't know your original?..

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Borii is kinda coming down on you guys hard but he's right. Dyno operators do this. They show you measured power then corrected power. Every dyno is different too. My mach 1 has registered as low as a 274 rwhp on a heartbreaker mustang dyno, and as high as 34x on a dynojet. But there is no way you got that much power from those 3 minor mods. It simply doesn't add up. If it did, we would all be sitting on monster engines. Even a full Bolton car would have trouble getting that much power down.
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