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Old 02-22-2014, 11:08 PM   #1
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Do these #s seem a bit too High?

So as some of you know I plan on doing a few bolt ons after I graduate now everyone wants the most HP no doubt about that but most bolt ons 4.6 see around 300-370 HP which is respectable but I happened to found a 2010 4.6 making 402 to the wheels with basic bolt ons now I'm not a pro of tunning so you guys tell me what you think check it out here's the link
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That's probably a complete set of bolt ons... Including the intake manifold... Im skeptical, but dyno jet dynos throw high numbers imo and those can be manipulated. Hell my Mach made 300rw over a year ago on a mustang dyno and 343 on a dyno jet in town and then 264 on a mean twin roller all on basically the same mods. Dynos are tools, not metre sticks... That's what the drag strip is for.
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That's probably a complete set of bolt ons... Including the intake manifold... Im skeptical, but dyno jet dynos throw high numbers imo and those can be manipulated. Hell my Mach made 300rw over a year ago on a mustang dyno and 343 on a dyno jet in town and then 264 on a mean twin roller all on basically the same mods. Dynos are tools, not metre sticks... That's what the drag strip is for.

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If he's running Stage 3 heads, Stage 3 cams, FRPP intake manifold, FRPP TB, the JLT 110mm CAI, Full length long tube headers (not kooks, they're mid length on the 3V cars) like ARH or Stainless Works, no cats with an aggressive and good dyno tuner on a cool dry day, say about 50-60 degrees an no humidity, they'll make 400 at the wheels N/A. That's not the only one to do it and there are builds out there for it. It's much cheaper to go with a PD or centri blower and make more than that but some guys (like myself) enjoy all motor applications.
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OP please list out all of your mods, generally "bolt ons" won't give you an extra 150 horsepower to the wheels.
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If he's running Stage 3 heads, Stage 3 cams, FRPP intake manifold, FRPP TB, the JLT 110mm CAI, Full length long tube headers (not kooks, they're mid length on the 3V cars) like ARH or Stainless Works, no cats with an aggressive and good dyno tuner on a cool dry day, say about 50-60 degrees an no humidity, they'll make 400 at the wheels N/A. That's not the only one to do it and there are builds out there for it. It's much cheaper to go with a PD or centri blower and make more than that but some guys (like myself) enjoy all motor applications.
Beat me to it. 400+ hp all motor 3v's are out there.
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Beat me to it. 400+ hp all motor 3v's are out there.

2v's also
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Don't let them lie to you. That car has probably around 330 - 350whp at most, being extremely optimistic.

They conveniently cut the video before showing the numbers.

If this were possible, there would be a ton more 3v's with CAI, throttle body, intake, cams and tune cars out there making over 400rwhp. In reality, there aren't.
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The car stock will make around 260whp. My guess is the same as Ish.
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So y'all are saying this FRPP top end power pack wouldn't make the 400 hp all motor this website is advertising?

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OP said bolt on 4.6. Usually after half of the engine is swapped like that kit would entail its no longer bolt ons. That is why I posted earlier asking OP to post what all his mods are. All this arguing is over the pretense that he has a **** ton done to his motor when he said "bolt ons". He has yet to post anything since the original though.
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Don't let them lie to you. That car has probably around 330 - 350whp at most, being extremely optimistic.

They conveniently cut the video before showing the numbers.

If this were possible, there would be a ton more 3v's with CAI, throttle body, intake, cams and tune cars out there making over 400rwhp. In reality, there aren't.
lol alright man, if you say so.

There are plenty of n/a 400rwhp 3Vs out there.
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lol alright man, if you say so.

There are plenty of n/a 400rwhp 3Vs out there.

I wanna see the dyno sheet!
How are stage 3 heads driving around normally?


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OP said bolt on 4.6. Usually after half of the engine is swapped like that kit would entail its no longer bolt ons. That is why I posted earlier asking OP to post what all his mods are. All this arguing is over the pretense that he has a **** ton done to his motor when he said "bolt ons". He has yet to post anything since the original though.
The 4.6 I posted is not my car it shows his mods on the descriptoon all I was wondering was if it seemed high Kuz it doesn't say he has aftermarket heads or anything
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I wanna see the dyno sheet!
How are stage 3 heads driving around normally?


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At the end of this vid, guy made 391rwhp and that was on a factory manifold without delete plates. Also it isn't the heads that are the issue, the stage 3 cams move the power further up so you'd need 3:73s to make it drivable on the street.



He ended up making 399rwhp when they were completely finished tuning it.

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So y'all are saying this FRPP top end power pack wouldn't make the 400 hp all motor this website is advertising?

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In their claims, they say 440 at the flywheel at 7,000 rpms. It also say that it would lose 12-15% to the wheels. This would give you between 374 and 387 to the wheels assuming you only lose 12-15% and at 7,000, which is at he limit of stock internals. So it's a little misleading.
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In their claims, they say 440 at the flywheel at 7,000 rpms. It also say that it would lose 12-15% to the wheels. This would give you between 374 and 387 to the wheels assuming you only lose 12-15% and at 7,000, which is at he limit of stock internals. So it's a little misleading.
I didn't forget ab the drivetrain loss, I just guessed "oh it'll just go down from 440 to 400ish" haha. Oh well close enough
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The car stock will make around 260whp. My guess is the same as Ish.
If a stock ,4.6 is dyno around 260 rwhp that's awesome to gain 150 rwhp with just bolt on mods. What bolt on mods would someone have too install to get that extra 100 to 150 rwhp on there 4.6.
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If a stock ,4.6 is dyno around 260 rwhp that's awesome to gain 150 rwhp with just bolt on mods. What bolt on mods would someone have too install to get that extra 100 to 150 rwhp on there 4.6.
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If he's running Stage 3 heads, Stage 3 cams, FRPP intake manifold, FRPP TB, the JLT 110mm CAI, Full length long tube headers (not kooks, they're mid length on the 3V cars) like ARH or Stainless Works, no cats with an aggressive and good dyno tuner on a cool dry day, say about 50-60 degrees an no humidity, they'll make 400 at the wheels N/A. That's not the only one to do it and there are builds out there for it. It's much cheaper to go with a PD or centri blower and make more than that but some guys (like myself) enjoy all motor applications.

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In their claims, they say 440 at the flywheel at 7,000 rpms. It also say that it would lose 12-15% to the wheels. This would give you between 374 and 387 to the wheels assuming you only lose 12-15% and at 7,000, which is at he limit of stock internals. So it's a little misleading.

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That right there.
Just curious but does getting heads and cams count for bolt on mods?
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Just curious but does getting heads and cams count for bolt on mods?

That's all opinion but honestly I would. Say no..


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How is that not N/A? With heads and cam your not running boost or spraying I thought N/A was all motor no supercharger turbo or bottle
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See, I was thinking the same thing. I don't consider cams and heads bolt on mods either but just wanted to get other view points on that. The OP wanted to know if 400 rwhp was possible with just some simple bolt on mods and based on that one shown build, that seemed a bit more than just some simple bolt on mods.
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How is that not N/A? With heads and cam your not running boost or spraying I thought N/A was all motor no supercharger turbo or bottle

Bolt on mods and N/A are not the same thing.
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How is that not N/A? With heads and cam your not running boost or spraying I thought N/A was all motor no supercharger turbo or bottle

I didn't say it wasn't n/a I said I didn't consider it a bolt on. I consider bolt ons all intake and all exhaust.

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Just curious but does getting heads and cams count for bolt on mods?
Well like he said its an opinion but I think most people would say it would count for bolt on mods
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Do these #s seem a bit too High?

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Well like he said its an opinion but I think most people would say it would count for bolt on mods

I wouldnt consider replacing half the engine "bolt ons"
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A bolt on is something the average Joe with hand tools can do. Replacing the heads and cams is a little more than that.
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How is that not N/A? With heads and cam your not running boost or spraying I thought N/A was all motor no supercharger turbo or bottle
Its N/A definitely but OP asked about bolt on mods to get around 400 rwhp. Are cams and heads just standard bolt on mods?
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I didn't say it wasn't n/a I said I didn't consider it a bolt on. I consider bolt ons all intake and all exhaust.

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Oh ok my bad I apologize I misread it what about gears do they count as bolt on
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Its N/A definitely but OP asked about bolt on mods to get around 400 rwhp. Are cams and heads just standard bolt on mods?
Well I'm sure heads and cam are more complicated to install like the guy said cold air exhaust are pretty simple to do
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Oh ok my bad I apologize I misread it what about gears do they count as bolt on

That one is debatable. Not really since 99% of people pay for install.
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That one is debatable. Not really since 99% of people pay for install.
I see what is it about gears are they a B*** to install or what
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Oh ok my bad I apologize I misread it what about gears do they count as bolt on

Some would because it's one of those mods that you "just do" but it's more complicated than that since most HAVE to take it to a shop to install so I would so no. It's not a bolt on lol.

But like I said it's all opinion really there's no "set" list of what is or isn't a bolt on. And tbh it doesn't really matter all that much haha


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