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Old 10-17-2014, 08:51 PM   #1
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What's the most power the s197 block can take?

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Which one, the 4.6 or 5.0?
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450-500 rwhp 3v


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I've heard 450 is the max you want to go from most people, but a handful over the years have said they have went to the 500+ mark and been just fine for months. I've also heard a good tune is very important when you are getting up there in numbers so make sure you get that done right when you start getting close to the 450 mark.
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Do you mean the actual block or the rotating assembly? The block is supposed to be good well past 600rwhp. The rotating assembly won't stay together after beyond 500rwhp for any amount of time. If you don't have a good tune like mentioned, you can zap something well below that.



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Do you mean the actual block or the rotating assembly? The block is supposed to be good well past 600rwhp. The rotating assembly won't stay together after beyond 500rwhp for any amount of time. If you don't have a good tune like mentioned, you can zap something well below that.



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The 3v BLOCK is a beast. The rotating assembly, on the other hand... Not so much.


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Sorry I ment the 4.6 3v^


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I'm running a whipple on my 3v pushing 479rwhp.


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Maybe I should just stay there


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The block is different than the internals pretty much all blocks after the pushrod can take whatever you want to throw at them. The part you need to upgrade are the rods, pistons and the crankshaft.


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The block is different than the internals pretty much all blocks after the pushrod can take whatever you want to throw at them. The part you need to upgrade are the rods, pistons and the crankshaft.


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The block is different than the internals pretty much all blocks after the pushrod can take whatever you want to throw at them. The part you need to upgrade are the rods, pistons and the crankshaft.


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And the head studs. Nothing but ARP. Or you take the chance of lifting a head, and destroying the block.

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I'm running a whipple on my 3v pushing 479rwhp.


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Maybe I should just stay there


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Yep stay there. How long have you been running it there? What is the max psi you see?


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Yep stay there. How long have you been running it there? What is the max psi you see?


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Only have 43k miles and 8.7lb boost


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Yep stay there. How long have you been running it there? What is the max psi you see?


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Still has stock headers and mid pipe with cats. I wana put long tubes n mid pipes but Ima have to retune it n I'm sure I can get to 500hp but idk


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Only have 43k miles and 8.7lb boost


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479 hp with 8 lbs of boost and stock manifolds and midpipe???
Calling bull**** 100% you were on a VERRY generous dyno

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479 hp with 8 lbs of boost and stock manifolds and midpipe???
Calling bull**** 100% you were on a VERRY generous dyno

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M serious. I'm still cali smog legal


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M serious. I'm still cali smog legal


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Like I said those definitely were not corrected #'s. And a generous dyno

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Like I said those definitely were not corrected #'s. And a generous dyno

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I have the dyno sheet if you wana see it. It has a custom tune. Not just the whipple tune


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I have the dyno sheet if you wana see it. It has a custom tune. Not just the whipple tune


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I believe your dyno sheet, you just don't understand what I'm saying.

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You had a happy dyno. Most other dynos wouldn't be that high.


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You had a happy dyno. Most other dynos wouldn't be that high.


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You had a happy dyno. Most other dynos wouldn't be that high.


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85 degree day and it's not a default whipple tune. Those only give you 430-450 rwhp....



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85 degree day and it's not a default whipple tune. Those only give you 430-450 rwhp....



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You seriously do not understand what we are saying at all.

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What we are saying is that dyno was not calibrated right. If you would have taken it to another dyno that is properly calculated that same day it most likely would have had less numbers.


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What's the most power the s197 block can take?

I'll take up for this dude. If he is running a 3.5 pulley he could without a doubt have made those numbers. He isn't running a m90. Mine made 452RWHP with a tvs and 4 inch pulley. Mine was STD corrected though so you can take about 15 hp off that. I'll post up a link of the dyno I had it done. Has bunch of mustangs, their mods and numbers. You can decide if you think it was a happy dyno. thinking of upgrading to the 3.5 pulley from brenspeed. According to Brent they have great results as long as the TQ is under 450
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Your not going to make 470+ with 8psi and cats and stock manifolds sorry it's not going to happen.

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How many pounds of boost? That is really all that matters since boost can be affected by more than just the pulley. 479rwhp is not going to happen on 8lbs of boost. a 4.6 2v will barely touch 400rwhp with 8lbs (depending on the blower), and no the 3v is not that much better than the 2v.
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What's the most power the s197 block can take?




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450 is more doable.

It says upgraded idler...... So Its not just a 3.5" pulley. I'm guessing that was a bit over 8lbs.

479 though like OP claimed is not happening with just 8lbs.

A basically stock 3v with 8lbs is going to see more in the 430 range realistically.

But we shouldn't take Rap seriously, cause he obviously didn't have a blown 3v before..............................
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What's the most power the s197 block can take?

The idler is bigger to take up belt slack so you can retain the same supercharger belt.

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Mine was a 2.5 valve I think???

If the OP car had full exhaust and no cats it wouldn't doubt it as much, still would like to see it with a correction though. but still dam near 480 with just a blower and since it's smog legal it's a closed air box also?



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Guys I would dig into some threads on fnsweet and other forums before you called him out to see what is out there. From all my research and I currently own a 3v supercharged car, he doesn't seem far off to me. If I made my power with a 4 inch huge pulley and 5/12 pounds boost why wouldn't he make 480 with a 3.5 pulley. Remember that blowers have come a long way since the little loaf of bread looking m90. And if he's lying, who cares, it's an Internet forum...


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I want to see a correction factor,
Bc if his car is smog legal in cali that means it's just the whipple on a stock *** car.

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