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Old 02-09-2015, 12:14 PM   #1
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I was wondering if there is a school or a course or anything to learn to tune ecu's? This type of work really interests me, but im not sure where to start.



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Go to sct web site and they have a school that they put on. I know a couple people that have gone to it and from what i hear its pretty informative.

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Where is the school located?

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You can go to school for it, but I think most people would advise against it.

The market is shifting towards electric cars and the current market for all things aftermarket in the car industry, not just tunes, is dissolving slowly (especially aftermarket car audio).

Even if full electric cars become mainstream at a slower rate than expected, there is another huge push for cars that drive themselves. This would make the market for performance parts and tunes even smaller, as who will care how fast a car is that you can't even drive?

This isn't a market I would feel good about jumping into right now, but that's just me.


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Im thinking of doing it as a hobby and maybe making some money out of it the only guy that tubes mustang around here charges about 300-400

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Well then you should be fine. Probably a lot of schooling for a hobby though.

I suppose I started 2 majors before I decided on mechanical engineering though so I can't really say much lol. Go to school while you can, especially if it's paid for :p

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Be prepared to spend $100's maybe even $1,000's on tuning software (what I've been told).
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I have nothing better to spend it on lol I wounder if I can do it online? Im working over 40 hts a week and I just retired from one profession lol

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What kind of equipment will I need?

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Those are questions I'd ask a head tuner at a speed shop
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I suppose that the biggest expense would be the dynamometer, or the access to one. I've also heard that the software can be pricey.

Here's a tuning school that you can take a look at.
http://www.thetuningschool.com/

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You can go to school for it, but I think most people would advise against it.

The market is shifting towards electric cars and the current market for all things aftermarket in the car industry, not just tunes, is dissolving slowly (especially aftermarket car audio).

Even if full electric cars become mainstream at a slower rate than expected, there is another huge push for cars that drive themselves. This would make the market for performance parts and tunes even smaller, as who will care how fast a car is that you can't even drive?

This isn't a market I would feel good about jumping into right now, but that's just me.


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I am not trying to be a jerk but where are you getting your info? There is always going to be a market for tuners especially with the aftermarket world. Even more so sence fuel injection is becoming the way of street and track performance, due to tuning ability. Even so with just simple bolt ons ie; cold air intake, intake manifold, long tube headers, so on and so forth. You should do some research typically i am not going to buy a mustang for fuel economy.

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You can go to school for it, but I think most people would advise against it.

The market is shifting towards electric cars and the current market for all things aftermarket in the car industry, not just tunes, is dissolving slowly (especially aftermarket car audio).

Even if full electric cars become mainstream at a slower rate than expected, there is another huge push for cars that drive themselves. This would make the market for performance parts and tunes even smaller, as who will care how fast a car is that you can't even drive?

This isn't a market I would feel good about jumping into right now, but that's just me.


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What are you talking about? Electric cars are not becoming mainstream.
People tuning their on cars has been skyrocketing in the last few years.
Cars driving themselves is not going to take over the market anytime soon.


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What type of problem do run into by learning to tune on my own car to learn?

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What type of problem do run into by learning to tune on my own car to learn?

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Messing up and damaging your engine probably

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Old 02-10-2015, 12:18 AM   #18
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Im playing with the idea not sure if I want to invest the $

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I am not trying to be a jerk but where are you getting your info? There is always going to be a market for tuners especially with the aftermarket world. Even more so sence fuel injection is becoming the way of street and track performance, due to tuning ability. Even so with just simple bolt ons ie; cold air intake, intake manifold, long tube headers, so on and so forth. You should do some research typically i am not going to buy a mustang for fuel economy.

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My comment had nothing to do with fuel economy.. Read it, in it's entirety, again lol
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What are you talking about? Electric cars are not becoming mainstream.
People tuning their on cars has been skyrocketing in the last few years.
Cars driving themselves is not going to take over the market anytime soon.


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Actually, electric cars are quickly becoming mainstream. Maybe not the case in America, but in other nations - you bet ya. The shift will eventually happen here, especially if the government keeps pushing that direction. In his working life we will shift to electric. He would be out a job at some point.

Can you provide facts on your claim that a market for aftermarket tunes has "skyrocketed" these last few years?

Actually, it very well might. Maybe not in the next 10 years, but you go to college for a career, right? In 20 years we won't be driving our cars anymore. Simple as that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...OUR-years.html

http://www.economist.com/news/busine...treet-near-you

I know it's a hard pill to swallow for the car enthusiast, but newer tech is coming.


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Electric vehicles. besides fuel economy what is another reason to buy a hybrid or electric vehicle.

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electric cars may be the "future"...in 25years or so......Then guys will install bigger and better batteries etc. Tuning will be here for quite a while...
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Electric vehicles. besides fuel economy what is another reason to buy a hybrid or electric vehicle.

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The same reasons you would buy a internal combustion vehicle. The tech is new, and as such the price tag is what is holding the market back. As with all tech though, it will get cheaper.

Electric vehicles have two major advantages to a internal combustion vehicle. No transmission and instant torque. They are probably also considerably lighter in most cases.

According to many (almost all) experts the only things holding back the electric car are cost and battery life. It's all speculation on when those issues will be answered, but you can reasonably assume it will be available in the next 20 years. Nobody wants to change careers at 40+.




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I see what your saying and somewhat agree but maybe not everybody is going to convert to electric or hybrid. I know i wont. They are expensive and the battery life is at about 5 to 7 years and the fact that each battery is about 1000 to 1500 and in some cases there are 3 to 5 batteries. Doesnt sound real cost effective. I believe the fuel injection industry and the aftermarket world that supports it will be around til i am old and grey. Not to mention with the technology that is in the performance vehicles now even a cold air intake requires a new tune. I dont think a good tuner will run out of work. Thats just my opinion. You cant rely on everything you read cause when it comes to the automotive industry the opinion are one sided and dont look at performance cunsumer vs econimical vs tech advanced/ future

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electric cars may be the "future"...in 25years or so......Then guys will install bigger and better batteries etc. Tuning will be here for quite a while...

How do you tune an electric engine? Advance that timing? Air/fuel?

If an electric motor makes peak torque as soon as you touch the pedal and holds that torque until you let off, there is no reason to tune- if you even could..
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idk but my gut tells me tuning will still have a market for a while....more and more can be adjusted by knowing which bits to change from 0 to 1. I'll back what was said before go talk to a local tuner and see if they need a ***** and be willing to learn (and learn to spell tuner with one n )
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How do you tune an electric engine? Advance that timing? Air/fuel?

If an electric motor makes peak torque as soon as you touch the pedal and holds that torque until you let off, there is no reason to tune- if you even could..
Thank of it as a hightech RC car. Mostly only upgrade batteries, motors, gears, and some handling components.
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Thank of it as a hightech RC car. Mostly only upgrade batteries, motors, gears, and some handling components.

Sure. But that's modding, not tuning.


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How do you tune an electric engine? Advance that timing? Air/fuel?

If an electric motor makes peak torque as soon as you touch the pedal and holds that torque until you let off, there is no reason to tune- if you even could..
I said MAYBE BATTERIES.....
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Then guys will install bigger and better batteries etc. Tuning will be here for quite a while...
At any rate, I certainly hope the internal combustion engine sticks around for awhile. I'm not exactly thrilled about electric cars by any means. It would just be a good idea to do some research before anyone jumps into that field.



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I believe the price of electric cars is gonna have to come way down... Just think how will they dispose of the batteries in SOME of these.....that'll be more of an issue I believe....Anyway, just get a laptop and star playing. Buy "hp tuners" for your car and start from there. Plenty of forum support with these tuning companies
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Actually, electric cars are quickly becoming mainstream. Maybe not the case in America, but in other nations - you bet ya. The shift will eventually happen here, especially if the government keeps pushing that direction. In his working life we will shift to electric. He would be out a job at some point.

Can you provide facts on your claim that a market for aftermarket tunes has "skyrocketed" these last few years?

Actually, it very well might. Maybe not in the next 10 years, but you go to college for a career, right? In 20 years we won't be driving our cars anymore. Simple as that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...OUR-years.html

http://www.economist.com/news/busine...treet-near-you

I know it's a hard pill to swallow for the car enthusiast, but newer tech is coming.


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You have no facts concerning electric driverless cars taking over. You quote two articles predicting availability in a few years. There's no mention of price, which is always key.
Electric cars and computer driven are different products.
Electric cars are still very far off, if they ever take off. The charging is always a problem. The magic "D" size battery that runs a car for 1,000 miles and charges in 10 minutes and cost $50 isn't here yet. Hybrids make a lot more sense. Electric cars only make sense in huge cities with fairly short commutes. Car magazines have been predicting all kinds of things for decades, doesn't mean it will happen.

You can swallow whatever you want, gas engines are going to be around for a lot longer.


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The same reasons you would buy a internal combustion vehicle. The tech is new, and as such the price tag is what is holding the market back. As with all tech though, it will get cheaper.

Electric vehicles have two major advantages to a internal combustion vehicle. No transmission and instant torque. They are probably also considerably lighter in most cases.

According to many (almost all) experts the only things holding back the electric car are cost and battery life. It's all speculation on when those issues will be answered, but you can reasonably assume it will be available in the next 20 years. Nobody wants to change careers at 40+.




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The biggest thing that will hold back the wide-spread use of electric cars is the electric power grid. Recharging millions of cars will, no doubt, overwhelm the current power grid.
It is a fantasy to think that everyone will be charging their cars only at night.
I think that they are a good alternative for a select group of people, however, I predict that the internal combustion powered vehicles will far outsell electric vehicles for the entire lifetimes of anyone on this website right now.
I have that little confidence in this country's ability to build enough new power plants, fast enough, to meet the demand of not only normal population growth, but the requirements of charging millions and millions of electric vehicles everyday.
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You have no facts concerning electric driverless cars taking over. You quote two articles predicting availability in a few years. There's no mention of price, which is always key.
Electric cars and computer driven are different products.
Electric cars are still very far off, if they ever take off. The charging is always a problem. The magic "D" size battery that runs a car for 1,000 miles and charges in 10 minutes and cost $50 isn't here yet. Hybrids make a lot more sense. Electric cars only make sense in huge cities with fairly short commutes. Car magazines have been predicting all kinds of things for decades, doesn't mean it will happen.

You can swallow whatever you want, gas engines are going to be around for a lot longer.


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Well we both know (or maybe you don't) that google has thrown their hat into the driverless car ring. Google isn't known to pour funds into a product they don't believe will make it to market. Not to mention the shear fact that their amount of working capital will almost insure a product make it through the R&D stages.

I hope you're right- I wouldn't count on it, though.


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The biggest thing that will hold back the wide-spread use of electric cars is the electric power grid. Recharging millions of cars will, no doubt, overwhelm the current power grid.

It is a fantasy to think that everyone will be charging their cars only at night.

I think that they are a good alternative for a select group of people, however, I predict that the internal combustion powered vehicles will far outsell electric vehicles for the entire lifetimes of anyone on this website right now.

I have that little confidence in this country's ability to build enough new power plants, fast enough, to meet the demand of not only normal population growth, but the requirements of charging millions and millions of electric vehicles everyday.

It's foolish to think that America will construct enough power plants to meet the current amount of energy needed to charge today's batteries, sure.

But is it really that outlandish to think that battery tech will advance enough that it doesn't take as much power to charge? Who know? It certainly wouldn't be the first time technology came in at a exponential rate vs a linear rate.




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Well we both know (or maybe you don't) that google has thrown their hat into the driverless car ring. Google isn't known to pour funds into a product they don't believe will make it to market. Not to mention the shear fact that their amount of working capital will almost insure a product make it through the R&D stages.

I hope you're right- I wouldn't count on it, though.


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Wow, so Google is doing it, I'll sell all my cars tomorrow.
So your life decisions are made based on corporations?

I'm sure there's plenty of money to made with driverless cars. But that doesn't mean that everyone is going to buy one and that everyone one will stop driving their own cars in a few months.

Try thinking for yourself.


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