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Old 02-20-2016, 06:05 PM   #1
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Pats issue?

Well I think I have a pats issue guys. I searched but most of what I found was on the older cars. I tried my spare key and it didn't work either. Turn the key and the car doesn't even attempt to start. Flashing security light and my gauges being wonky. Tach slowly did a full rotation and the temp gauge has almost done a full rotation. Car Definetly has power still. Any ideas?

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Old 02-20-2016, 10:43 PM   #2
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Have you tried disconnecting the battery and letting it set overnight before you reconnect it to see if that helps?
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No I haven't. I just got in it for work and fiddled with it a bit before taking my wife's car. When I tried to start it to move it to replace my wheel bearing and it did the same thing. After about 5 minutes it was fine though. I will disconnect it tonight.

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Alrighty Carrrrrrrrrrrl. That did the trick. Could this be a one time thing or could it happen again? I'm a little nervous because I work 60 miles from home for another two weeks.,

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Alrighty Carrrrrrrrrrrl. That did the trick. Could this be a one time thing or could it happen again? I'm a little nervous because I work 60 miles from home for another two weeks.,

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Yeah it's a little nerve racking when stuff like that happens because it's so hard to trace to the source, especially if it's intermittent. I hope it was just your car being angry with you for living in the subzero and leaving it out away for the winter.
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Old 02-21-2016, 01:51 PM   #7
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It has been a temperamental ***** ever since I backed it out of my garage after hibernation. That Pats system sure is effective at making your car a worthless brick though

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I hate all the new car anti-theft bs. It's nice when you lock your car and you walk away feeling like it's safe, but this is what happens as things like this start to age.

My mom had a 95 z28 back when it was new. It was when Chevy had those lame little chips on the side of the key. Well it would just randomly not start. After about 10 trips to the dealer and many headaches they finally said that the solution would be to carry both keys so if it does this you could try the other key...yeah we eventually lemon lawed that pile of crap.
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My wife's Malibu did that about once a week. We were able to bypass pats for a few weeks but then it figured it out and bricked.

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you mentioned hibernation...weak battery?

of course check the connections
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It has a fresh battery and I drove it for about a week and parked it again to replace the wheel bearing. Then I drove it to work the next day and it bricked the following day. My dome lights were also flashing.

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Well car drove a day and bricked the next day. Called bama and am getting a new tune disabling PATS. Hope that does it.

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Geez man. That sucks, I hope that works.
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good luck....intermittent problems suck
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I'm not sure why it would brick after about 24 hours... Hopefully it is no big deal. I guess if it keeps happening I could install a circuit breaker so every time I shut my car off I can kill the battery.

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Well got the tune loaded and no cigar. I know it isn't a pcm issue. My logic was since both keys didn't work it wasn't that but what if it was the ignition itself?

And am I reading this right? I wouldn't need to reprogram a key for this?

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That's what it says but I don't understand how that's possible.
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I'm not reading it as not needing re-programming. I don 't find it clear tho
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Tumblers are included for optional rekeying, eliminating the need to carry 2 keys and reprogram a new anti-theft key

That part of it

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Tumblers are included for optional rekeying, eliminating the need to carry 2 keys and reprogram a new anti-theft key

That part of it

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Sounds like to me it's literally just the lock cylinder. So all it replaces is the physical lock itself. They give you tumblers so you can rekey it to your key. Basically you insert your key and then insert the tumblers for each part of your key to make that lock now work with your existing key. Now I'm guessing you would swap over the electronics and bam. Now you don't have to reprogram your keys. But I don't see how this would help you in your situation.
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^^that.

Dormand is a big name contact their customer sevice. I looked up something on their site last year and found their site helpful.. Mayhap they have decent tech help.
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This is fairly frustrating. I'm going to get the battery tested after all just because. It is less than 6 months old but it is duralast so who knows.

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My tuner did say my battery was at 12v... Not sure how accurate that is. Pats light still flashes at me when I try to start the car along with the airbag light being on.

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12 volts is low.....idk how accurate they are (12.6 normal car off 13.6-14.6 charging) what happens when you turn on lights do they dim/drop voltage?
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Everything seems to be normal when I reset the battery. After I try to start it however there is a click of a solenoid possibly and then nothing. No lights no power locks or anything. Just the theft light and the airbag light. After I try to start it and it does that shutdown thing and I cycle it back to off there is this weird noise coming from the dash. Almost sounds like a hear ticking in the speedo

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A fully charged 12v battery, in good condition, should be at around 13.2v when it is at rest.
Try jump starting your car with your wife's car.
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The issue with that is the way my car is situated in my driveway. I will get a battery tender over here tomorrow and let it charge a bit. And clean up the cables and whatnot

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Well........ Looks like it was from corrosion possibly? I like freaking out over stuff just for them to be simple. Cables are tight and clean now and the battery is on the tender.

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you mentioned hibernation...weak battery?

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Nate, didn't you disconnect the batt and reconnect it the next day? Lol you didn't notice corrosion then?
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I did. I didn't think it was that bad/causing my issue. I have seen cars with much worse corrosion running problem free lol. Good call Mud

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pats

sometimes and i'm not sure but if you changed the wheel bearing you could have disloged the abs braking sensor near the wheel. just a thought?
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I don't believe mine had an and sensor.

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