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Old 04-27-2011, 08:45 AM   #1
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Superchargers vs turbochargers

Which one is better? How? How much do they effect your mpg?
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Re: Superchargers vs turbochargers

It just depends. Both are fun to have. MPG will depend on what you end up going with. You have PD and Centri blowers. Both are very different in their own rights.
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Re: Superchargers vs turbochargers

It really depends on how you build the system. Superchargers are ran off the belt drive system of the engine, turbo's are driven from the exhaust system. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.

There are tradeoffs in both systems. In theory, a turbocharger is more efficient because it is using the "wasted" energy in the exhaust stream for its power source. On the other hand, a turbocharger causes some amount of back pressure in the exhaust system and tends to provide less boost until the engine is running at higher RPMs. Superchargers are easier to install but tend to be more expensive.
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Turbo > Supercharger

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If you are gonna run a turbo. Have a spare long block on hand. Don't know any turbo mustangs that haven't blown up. And I know 5 different ones personally. All blown up.
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Supercharger! Just installed a procharger in mine. Driving around town it drives like a stock stang but when I mash the throttle I have 521 ponies at the wheels. I love it and wouldn't change a thing. Except maybe a pulley!
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If you are gonna run a turbo. Have a spare long block on hand. Don't know any turbo mustangs that haven't blown up. And I know 5 different ones personally. All blown up.
Then you know 5 people who are doing it wrong.

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Then you know 5 people who are doing it wrong.

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Ok guy.
Seriously....You blow ruin an engine in a turbo car by pretty much one of two ways.

Pushing it too hard, or not providing the proper mixture of air/fuel/spark.

If they ruined a motor, one of those two things was likely the cause. Obviously it could be inferior parts, etc....but the two scenarios above are the reasons for failure on nearly all turbo engines.

Engines don't just randomly break because they have a turbo on them.

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Without getting into too much of a debate. Too many variables in setting up a turbo system to operate safely. If you want reliability, supercharger. I'm running 20 psi supercharged and have no reliability issues. Strap a turbo on and don't say you weren't warned.
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Without getting into too much of a debate. Too many variables in setting up a turbo system to operate safely. If you want reliability, supercharger. I'm running 20 psi supercharged and have no reliability issues. Strap a turbo on and don't say you weren't warned.
Uhm...the variables that went into putting a twin screw at 20PSI on your car are the same that would go into a turbo car at the same power level...

And honestly, a properly setup turbo car will be more efficient, more powerful, and alot more fun...
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Without getting into too much of a debate. Too many variables in setting up a turbo system to operate safely. If you want reliability, supercharger. I'm running 20 psi supercharged and have no reliability issues. Strap a turbo on and don't say you weren't warned.
Why can a turbo not be setup safely?

What variables are there to be considered when installing a turbo that aren't an issue with a supercharger?

I've dealt with turbos plenty times. I've hit a stock longblock V6 with 28 psi and a 100 shot. Do that w/ your supercharger and don't say you weren't warned.

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Uhm...the variables that went into putting a twin screw at 20PSI on your car are the same that would go into a turbo car at the same power level...

And honestly, a properly setup turbo car will be more efficient, more powerful, and alot more fun...
Sup man? Haven't heard from you in a while. True statement by the way. Reliability is the only downfall to the turbos from what I have seen. They are great power makers. But you won't see me sway from a SC.
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Why can a turbo not be setup safely?

What variables are there to be considered when installing a turbo that aren't an issue with a supercharger?

I've dealt with turbos plenty times. I've hit a stock longblock V6 with 28 psi and a 100 shot. Do that w/ your supercharger and don't say you weren't warned.

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Do whatever makes you happy dude. Opinion are like ********. Everybody has one. Do the same to a v8.
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Sup man? Haven't heard from you in a while. True statement by the way. Reliability is the only downfall to the turbos from what I have seen. They are great power makers. But you won't see me sway from a SC.
How are turbos not reliable?

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i say leave the turbos to the ricers and diesels. i want a supercharger! a Kennebell to be exact. i like the instant power of the supercharger
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Do whatever makes you happy dude. Opinion are like ********. Everybody has one. Do the same to a v8.
It's not a matter of opinion, it's a fact.

Turbos are no less reliable than a supercharger. Turbos do not have to worry about belt slip. Turbos are more efficient than a supercharger. It is easier to adjust boost levels w/ a turbo than a supercharger. It is just as easy for a good tuner to tune a turbo vehicle as it is to tune a supercharged vehicle. There is no risk of a turbo belt breaking the end of a crank off.

I fail to see the opinion part of it.

I don't hate superchargers. I have owned 2 blown Cobras in the past 12 months....but what you're saying is misleading to somebody who is seeking information.

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i say leave the turbos to the ricers and diesels. i want a supercharger! a Kennebell to be exact. i like the instant power of the supercharger
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i say leave the turbos to the ricers and diesels.
Please tell me this is a joke

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i say leave the turbos to the ricers and diesels. i want a supercharger! a Kennebell to be exact. i like the instant power of the supercharger
Turbo's can have instant power as well.

So much wrong information in this thread it's sad.
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Turbo's can have instant power as well.

So much wrong information in this thread it's sad.
I have never heard of a turbo having instant power due to the fact that the spool at higher rpm's and take much longer to spool. Not saying your wrong just saying that's what I have learned
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no its not actually. if you lived here in texas you would understand. no v8 owners here really want the turbo. its all about that supercharger wine!
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I have never heard of a turbo having instant power due to the fact that the spool at higher rpm's and take much longer to spool. Not saying your wrong just saying that's what I have learned
Sure, a single 76mm turbo will spool fairly slow on a V8 mustang. Twin 57's spool quite quickly. Twin 50's would be pretty much an insta-spool.

The cars you see that take forever to build boost are ones that have giant turbos and are built for top end speed and power only. If you want a fun car with power all across the band just go with the correct setup and problem solved.

With that said, I have a blown cobra and love it. I also have a friend going twin 57's on his 03 cobra right now and it will probably make me want to look into that route when he upgrades bigger (because I know he will...).
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no its not actually. if you lived here in texas you would understand. no v8 owners here really want the turbo. its all about that supercharger wine!
I'm pretty sure this is about power and reliability. Not sound.
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I have never heard of a turbo having instant power due to the fact that the spool at higher rpm's and take much longer to spool. Not saying your wrong just saying that's what I have learned
Where it spools depends on all SORTS of things. You can basically make a car spool as early or as late as you want by playing with turbo size, tune, or even varying sizes of cold/hot sides of the turbo, etc...

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Turbo's can have instant power as well.

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instant? i havent heard of this in a turbo? ive heard of some that spool pretty quick but dont provide much boost. i never said that turbos cant instant spool anyways. i might have implied it though lol
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no its not actually. if you lived here in texas you would understand. no v8 owners here really want the turbo. its all about that supercharger wine!
OP is not in Texas. I doubt he has been brainwashed by all the millions of Texas V8 owners that apparently only want superchargers...or whatever you're attempting to say.

I've got some people in Texas I need to inform of this revelation though...too bad cause they were making some good numbers.
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no its not actually. if you lived here in texas you would understand. no v8 owners here really want the turbo. its all about that supercharger wine!
Some of the fastest/quickest street cars in TX are turbo V8's. I know this b/c I had my *** handed to me by one while I had my 03 Cobra in Houston.

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Where it spools depends on all SORTS of things. You can basically make a car spool as early or as late as you want by playing with turbo size, tune, or even varying sizes of cold/hot sides of the turbo, etc...

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K. I didn't know that. Sorry. Sounds like a toss up. Lol. I do love that supercharger wine though. Damn it's sexy
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I'm pretty sure this is about power and reliability. Not sound.
i know it is. i was just stating what the ppl in texas that i know (friends family), want. had nothing to do with the stability and reliability or power output. either way you go you are going to get awesome hp and torque numbers
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no its not actually. if you lived here in texas you would understand. no v8 owners here really want the turbo. its all about that supercharger wine!
And I bet youll love that nice supercharger whine as you watch the turboed stangs' rear bumpers disappear off in the distance...
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OP is not in Texas. I doubt he has been brainwashed by all the millions of Texas V8 owners that apparently only want superchargers...or whatever you're attempting to say.

I've got some people in Texas I need to inform of this revelation though...too bad cause they were making some good numbers.
not brainwashed, im just proud of my american v8 car. turbos on gas motors are generally in ricers and v8s usually have the supercharger. the comment was more of a joke than a serious statement. i personally love superchargers though
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not brainwashed, im just proud of my american v8 car. turbos on gas motors are generally in ricers and v8s usually have the supercharger. the comment was more of a joke than a serious statement. i personally love superchargers though
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Some of the fastest/quickest street cars in TX are turbo V8's. I know this b/c I had my *** handed to me by one while I had my 03 Cobra in Houston.

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anything can run fast if built right. what i am trying to say is where i live i dont here much of turbocharging unless its in a diesel. most cars and trucks here are supercharged. im fine with turbos and i did consider it. i just prefer superchargers
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I really hope the OP does their own research, because this thread will completely misinform them

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