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Old 12-02-2013, 10:48 PM   #36
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Trust me dude just swap another motor ... If theres no aftermarket help you will go insane trying to get everything to work right
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Travis, if your a decent fabricator you could get a turbo off a dodge commins and make it work. I know a guy that managed to put one on a civic. If I remember he had to make the manifold.
Gave him thats same info on the 4th post of the thread. Your best to use stock manifold with and modify the collector to adapt to a T4 turbo flange. Once flange is welded, you can bolt the compressor up and start mocking up the rest of the plumbing.
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Gave him thats same info on the 4th post of the thread. Your best to use stock manifold with and modify the collector to adapt to a T4 turbo flange. Once flange is welded, you can bolt the compressor up and start mocking up the rest of the plumbing.
Sorry missed that. A 4 barrel carb could also turn it into a very respectable car. Back in the early 70s circle track's had a class for them, with the torque the made,
they were no joke.
If beast is what you want, buy a Roush qualifying motor, 850hp w/4barrel. 650hp w/2barrel all motor.
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I did look at those turbos i have a buddy that us actually really into turbos and been talking to him about this project he said that if i get the right size turbo and the right amount of fuel then i dont need a BOV is that true?
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I did look at those turbos i have a buddy that us actually really into turbos and been talking to him about this project he said that if i get the right size turbo and the right amount of fuel then i dont need a BOV is that true?
Not in the slightest. A bov or diverter valves purpose is to help save the compressor from surging. Less compressor surge the more reliable and dependable the setup becomes.
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Yeah thats what i was thinking so do i need bot a waste gate and bov? Or are they the same thing?
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Wastegate and bov are two different things

---------- Post added at 04:37 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:33 AM ----------

I would recommend researching the turbo world. It's kind of complex at first but once you start understanding it becomes simple. Don't just start buying stuff until you know your goals and what you need to achieve them.
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Wastegate and bov are two different things ---------- Post added at 04:37 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:33 AM ---------- I would recommend researching the turbo world. It's kind of complex at first but once you start understanding it becomes simple. Don't just start buying stuff until you know your goals and what you need to achieve them.
Whats the difference? And oh believe me i am thats why i made this thread haha i dont want to waste any money
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Yeah thats what i was thinking so do i need bot a waste gate and bov? Or are they the same thing?
Not the same. Wastegates in basic terms is your boost regulator. If you didn't have a wastegate the turbo would free spool to max efficiency well over 20+lbs of boost. The wastegate has a spring inside of it that opens up under certain pressure levels. So say you have a 7psi spring in the wastegate, when the turbo spools up its spooling to 20+psi of boost however the pressure spring opens up at 7 allowing the rest of the pressure to dump out the exhaust or in open atmosphere and the 7psi makes its way to your motor.

Bov like i said above.
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Im still a little confused about a bov so it basically just releases extra pressure after you get off it?
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Im still a little confused about a bov so it basically just releases extra pressure after you get off it?
Yup. The compressor never stops spinning so if you take air force it through something then block off its pipe quickly without anyway for the air to escape, it forces the air back into the compressor unnaturally and makes the compressor surge. When this happens it can do damage to the compressor wheels and bearings.
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See the "blue" arrow? Thats the side heading into your engine. Now say you didn't have a bov on the setup. Kinda get it now? Compressor surge makes one hell of a noticeable noise as well.
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See the "blue" arrow? Thats the side heading into your engine. Now say you didn't have a bov on the setup. Kinda get it now? Compressor surge makes one hell of a noticeable noise as well.
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See the "blue" arrow? Thats the side heading into your engine. Now say you didn't have a bov on the setup. Kinda get it now? Compressor surge makes one hell of a noticeable noise as well.
Are you talking about turbo bark?
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Are you talking about turbo bark?
Compressor Surge is what in talking about, if that happens to be a slang term for it then yes. Search compressor surge on youtube I'm sure someone has posted a video of it.
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How important is the exhaust manifold?
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Im still a little confused about a bov so it basically just releases extra pressure after you get off it?
yes sir. That's why with some you get that loud pshhh noise. That everyone loves.
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How important is the exhaust manifold?
Well it for sure needs to be solid enough to withstand the temps that the turbo will create, also has to have enough support to accommodate the new hanging weight of the turbo assembly.

As far as quality is concerned its just like going from stock cast exhaust manifolds to equal length shorties/long tubes. So different manifold will flow better than others as well as being strong than others.

Heres some turbo manifolds my good friend Ryan made. These ones were for a Duramax Diesel. The first ones were "aftermarket performance" that the customer had purchased a few years back and were junk the second set are the manifolds my friend fabricated.
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It would be best to not cheap out on upgrades to cool your setup. Often times turbo's can be so hot from getting on it to where they glow red or even white its so hot. I would get good quality parts to withstand and cool your setup including a turbo timer to properly cool down.
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I was thinking about making a header vs just using my stock one that i still have and using a 180 bent tube to attach the turbo and what kind of cooling systems are you talking here?
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I was thinking about making a header vs just using my stock one that i still have and using a 180 bent tube to attach the turbo and what kind of cooling systems are you talking here?
With you doing the fab work, who's making your exhaust manifold flange? Who's making the collector? What material are you using? How are you going to accommodate for the added hanging weight? Have you decided on running a externally wastegated turbo or internally wastegated turbo?
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Ha uhhhhh well i was going too i make everything I have access to a machine shop and i have not thought of that how will that affect my exhaust?
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Ha uhhhhh well i was going too i make everything I have access to a machine shop and i have not thought of that how will that affect my exhaust?
Ok. Well make sure your pretty handy behind the Bridgeport. Flanges can be difficult to make correctly. The collector is the hardest part to make. Heres a few pics of Ryan's flanges/collectors.

If you are handy with the mill, why not make an "adapter flange to adapt your stock manifolds collector to a turbo flange. Make it bolt up on both ends of the adapter. Would be very easy to remove and return to stock at a moments notice as well.
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Damn those look good i was going just to use an exhaust mani gasket as a template and use some like 1/4 or 3/8? Think flat bar and just cut it out and for the collector i going to just to connect each cylinder as they go past each other and have meet by the carb
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Well supposedly my friend can get me a holset hy35 for free so looks like thats my turbo haha i hope he can come through
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That's awesome bro. It's good to have friends like that
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That's awesome bro. It's good to have friends like that
True dat he said it just leaked oil
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True dat he said it just leaked oil
:/ is it rebuildable?
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True dat he said it just leaked oil
Typically when a turbo "leaks" oil, the internal dynamic seals are bad. When that happens the turbo is going to shoot the oil into the hot exhaust downpipe and cause you to smoke, also the cold side will spray oil into your charge piping and carb causing you to smoke. So plan to rebuild it.
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Typically when a turbo "leaks" oil, the internal dynamic seals are bad. When that happens the turbo is going to shoot the oil into the hot exhaust downpipe and cause you to smoke, also the cold side will spray oil into your charge piping and carb causing you to smoke. So plan to rebuild it.
I was planing on rebuilding it. So now that i have a turbo picked out where do i go from here? I know it has a wastgate on it so is there a certain bov i need or are they all the same? And what about my carb?
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Piping and more piping :p
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I was planing on rebuilding it. So now that i have a turbo picked out where do i go from here? I know it has a wastgate on it so is there a certain bov i need or are they all the same? And what about my carb?
Start by pulling the oil pan, drill/tap or weld a bung into the pan for oil return line. Make sure you're at a high spot in the pan, you don't want the oil to backup into the center section. Take your oil pressure switch off and install a brass T or oil filter sandwich plate to take care of the oil feed line hookup.

You're going to want to mount the compressor now as well. This will help you mock up pipe and line routing configurations. Some people find it easier to buy a vacuum manifold. Hook one main master vacuum source into the log manifold and it slaves multiple sources out for easier plumbing.

What type of intercooler are you running if any at all?

How are you going to control the ignition timing? Are you going to pickup a wideband and egt gauges to aid in tuning the setup?
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I was more thinking along the lines of what parts should i order next? I need my car has a dd soon so i would like to get all the parts first then jump into this try to get it done in a weekend
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I was more thinking along the lines of what parts should i order next? I need my car has a dd soon so i would like to get all the parts first then jump into this try to get it done in a weekend
Good luck with that lol
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Good luck with that lol
Ha maybe a week
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