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Old 02-24-2016, 05:21 PM   #176
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That's about what the stock head volume is.
The stock piston compression height is 1.778.
And I assume that the stock pistons were flat tops with two valve reliefs?

You need to choose a piston that has the stock compression height and style as the original did, or as close as possible, to achieve the 10.5:1 cr. I'm guessing that the original pistons had around a +5cc volume for the valve reliefs.

This is where engine building gets interesting... You can change the compression ratio by using a shorter or taller compression height, positive or negative piston volume, and cylinder head volume.
I would try to keep the dimensions close to factory specifications to simplify things though.
Once you have found a piston that is close, you can check it with the compression ratio calculator.
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Old 02-24-2016, 06:04 PM   #177
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Yeah I've been using a summits compression calculator with all the specs, only one I'm not really sure on is the deck clearance. The block was decked a little bit too but never got a spec on it. He said when he checked t it barely had a rock to the straight edge so I'd assume they took .010 off
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Yes. The deck is probably close to zero now.

If you can't find something "off the shelf", that gets you near the target compression ratio, there is always the option of having a set of pistons made.
Some of the piston manufacturers might even have pistons in stock that are not listed in Summit or Jegs catalog. JE pistons has a line of forged pistons for FE engines, so you might check with them.
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Old 03-23-2016, 03:29 PM   #179
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Well haven't had an update in a while but have got quite a bit done, got everything out but the trans, got the axle all broken down and the new mounts welded on. But I forgot where I took my measurements from so I'm ill have to do some figuring there. Also finally the top end kit got shipped out to my uncles house in Reno since it's not carb legal for ca apparently for some reason. So just need to run over and pick it up. Decided on icon Pistons ( with rings and pins) for 716$, head studs and intake bolts from arp.


The triangulated four link is giving me a little trouble with room because there isn't any lol. I'm think I might have to go for a parallel and try to make room for a panhard bar. Still don't know what to do about that.
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Very nice. Get some pictures up.


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Old 03-25-2016, 10:07 PM   #181
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I'll post some tomorrow.

Im going to finally register the car in our name, and am thinking about getting a custom name plate, any suggestions? So far I've got

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Any others? I'm really not that big of a fan of custom plates but my dad wants one.
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I'll post some tomorrow.

Im going to finally register the car in our name, and am thinking about getting a custom name plate, any suggestions? So far I've got

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Any others? I'm really not that big of a fan of custom plates but my dad wants one.
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Old 03-28-2016, 11:06 PM   #183
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Old 03-30-2016, 09:20 PM   #185
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Those are sure pretty!

Seems a shame to cover them up with a cylinder head.
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Old 03-30-2016, 09:34 PM   #186
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Old 03-30-2016, 09:51 PM   #187
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Those are sure pretty!



Seems a shame to cover them up with a cylinder head.

Tell me about I just want to put it on a chain and wear it around lol especially with all the work it took to find these! Should get 10.33 with these
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Old 03-30-2016, 09:53 PM   #188
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I never new how much room engine parts take up! Click image for larger version

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Old 03-30-2016, 11:10 PM   #189
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Other news, ditching the triangulated four link, there's just room for it. I'm going to go with a parallel 4 link with a panhard bar. The leaf spring mount on the front bolted on so I'm going to make a mount that will bolt on in the same location. It's a bit tricky with the tbird, the old leafs were triangulated, sorta lol they're closer in the front than the back. So the frame is bent, also there is a relief notch in the frame which I'm assuming was for the leaf, but that notch is right in the way for the angle mount for the upper control arm. So essentially I'd have to box the frame, and cut the floor out to make room for the mount and then somehow attach everything together. Or make a mount, which will be a lot easier so going with that.

Still haven't gotten the transmission out because well, I forgot where I took my measurements from so I have to re assemble everything and make sure I have the axle set properly before I do any final welding on the mount. Kinda sucks that I can basically only work on the car Friday's and the metal shop isn't open weekends. But plan is getting it all assembled this weekend, including the engine.
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Old 03-31-2016, 12:16 AM   #190
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Lol.
They stack up fast don't they?

It sounds like you are making good progress!
Are you going to have the rotating assembly balanced?
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Lol.

They stack up fast don't they?



It sounds like you are making good progress!

Are you going to have the rotating assembly balanced?

Don't think so, should I?
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Old 03-31-2016, 01:11 AM   #192
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I always do.
It seems to make a smoother running, longer lasting engine.
Balancing the rotating assembly is just taking the build a step further than the assembly line at Ford did. They didn't have the time to balance the crank, flywheel/flexplate, and balancer all as one component. Or check each rod and piston for weight and balance.
If you decide to have it balanced, I recommend purchasing a new balancer, and depending on the condition of the old flexplate, perhaps a new one of those also.
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Old 04-02-2016, 01:39 AM   #193
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Hmmm well i think balancing the crank/flywheel/balancer isn't going to happen, Maybe rods and Pistons. I was always wonder how it works if you balance everything, still use stock everything? Or do they have to add/take away weights? Like on the balancer and fly wheel? The fly wheel looks brand new too, the balancer will probably be replaced.
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Hmmm well i think balancing the crank/flywheel/balancer isn't going to happen, Maybe rods and Pistons. I was always wonder how it works if you balance everything, still use stock everything? Or do they have to add/take away weights? Like on the balancer and fly wheel? The fly wheel looks brand new too, the balancer will probably be replaced.
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Ideally, they try to remove material to do the balancing rather than add weight.
Everything is balanced separately, and you are using all of the original parts, other than the pistons, so it should be balanced about the same as when it left the factory.
You could actually "balance" the rods and pistons yourself if you have a suitable scale to weigh them. Basically, you just weigh the pistons and find the lightest one. Then remove material from the other pistons to match the weight of that piston.
Pretty much the same thing for the rods. Only when the "pro's" do it, they put the rods in a fixture and weigh each end of the rods and try to get them all to match. As well as matching the total weight of the rods.
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Still deciding if I'm going to balance everything. School is getting pretty tough now, so haven't had as much time as I've wanted. And waiting to put the engine together as a family, with my dad and brother since this is a father sons project. Anyways made some decent progress on the rear end. Got some 4x4 tube and cut it down to make a mount that bolts to the frame where the original leaf spring mount was. And then got some 1.75 square tube to connect the two mounts together. Still need to make a loop for the drive shaft/exhaust. And best of all, these mounts allow me to use the triangulated four link! I'll be able to mount the weld the upper mount. Only bad thing was I cut up one bracket to only to realize I didn't need too

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Only issue is that the upper mount will cover the holes for bolts. But I'll figure that out after.

And here's what it looks like minus the holes. Didn't have time to finish this one up yet but should be done by next weekend. Click image for larger version

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And here's how she sits now. Click image for larger version

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As soon as I finish up with the rear I'll order the shocks and then get her back on her feet! Can't wait
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Awesome!
Looking forward to some more pictures as you progress with the suspension.
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Old 04-21-2016, 09:39 PM   #198
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Well, still haven't gotten any further on any of the other projects lol but got the front spring taken out and mounted the wheel so I can see how low I want to go and how much clearance I have for rims and tires hopefully I'll be able to get this low Click image for larger version

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That will look mean!
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Old 06-11-2016, 12:49 AM   #200
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Wellllllll still nothing lol. But my dad has said that all he wants for fathers day is to take the car for a spin. Which isn't too far out of the question. Luckily there's a tbird parts warehouse 20 min from my house. Got the driver side front suspension all taken off and am bead blasting them and about to paint them then rebuild them. Had to order another bracket from welder series for the four link I cut up the one the sent me before I realized I'd still be able to go with the triangulated 4 link. I also a screwed up one of the cam bearings installing it. So going to have to order another set and then the engine should go back together pretty quick have all the parts sitting on my bench.

I do have a few questions,

One do I need to have the axle at ride hight before I weld all the brackets on? Or can I just match it up to my measurements?

And any one know what/how to measure for what bags I need? I'm thinking I want to go an inch or two lower from stock to begin with. Any guidance with this would be greatly appreciated. No idea what todo when it comes to air ride.
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Keep in mind that I have never done this before either.

I would mock everything up, using tack welds that can be easily ground off so that you can make adjustments if necessary. Once you get the suspension setup so that it is acceptable, and at the ride height that you want, then you can measure for the bags.
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Old 06-18-2016, 03:06 AM   #202
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She low enough? Click image for larger version

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Needs about 2 more inches.
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That should do!
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Well I'm finally almost ready to tack everything on the rear end and brackets, that last picture was just to give me some motivation. Anyways made up some jigs so I can have everything at ride hight. And I was finally able to dial in my welder... Good timing eh? Had to change the tips and adjust the gas to get but made a world of difference between my first and last, I'll just leave the last weld here Click image for larger version

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Also got the whole drive side almost prepped for reinstall. Got all the little brackets and spindle painted just have to finish bead blasting the arms and paint them. Click image for larger version

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Hope to get either the front or rear done tomorrow.
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Good progress. You using flux core? Very tough to tell, an I'm certainly no expert, but you might double check your penetration. Your bead seems to be sitting up just a little...could just be the picture, but the last thing you want is things breaking bc of a cold weld.
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No solid core with gas, I could have thrown a bit more heat at it but the tube was a bit thin. Oh I know I'm by no means an expert welder I'll take all the advice
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Also I think my wire speed was a little fast
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Yeah, I thought I had mig all figured out building my welding cart, until I started on some 50 yr old thin sheet metal and kept blowing holes in it
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Ha, yeah I know what you mean. But at least I more in tune with what the settings actually mean and the affect each other
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