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Old 07-21-2015, 08:55 PM   #1
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C4 rebuild

Well I lost my 3rd gear. So looks like I'm going todo a full rebuild this time. Anyone know of a good place to get a kit? I've found two places

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I've bought parts from these guys before just don't know on quality sense this will be the second time rebuilding the tranny.

And suggestions will be helpful thanks!!
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I bought a kit from WIT trans (whatever it takes) customer service was good and the parts were great. I would avoid b&m products. They've screwed me over with bad parts, admitted it and then tole me to pretty much pound sand.


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I've had good luck with PA over the years, great customer service and have bought 2 transmission from them.

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Old 08-04-2015, 01:39 AM   #4
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Well got it all apart tonight don't think the fluid is supposed to look like this Click image for larger version

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And I've gotten a few other good reviews for border performance so I'm going to go with that along with that it's the most complete for the price.
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What?!?
Are you saying that there is NOT supposed to be unidentifiable pieces of broken metal in the transmission pan EVERY TIME that you remove it?!!??

I must have something seriously wrong...
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Old 08-04-2015, 02:38 PM   #7
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I think I diagnosed the problem too the snap ring that hold the output shaft well wasn't on there... I was able to put it out with out removing anything internal. The kit should be shipping out this week.
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What?!?

Are you saying that there is NOT supposed to be unidentifiable pieces of broken metal in the transmission pan EVERY TIME that you remove it?!!??



I must have something seriously wrong...


I thought it was normal too
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I swear to god Travis, I have found needle bearings, and what looked to be part of the bearing cage, in the pan... And the transmission still worked! It was noisy but I drove the truck another 10k miles like that! Lol
And it never stopped working! I drove the truck to the transmission shop to have it rebuilt!

My last one broke on a WOT 1-2 shift. I thought that a U-joint broke! It just stopped working and wouldn't go into any gear except reverse.
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Old 08-04-2015, 11:36 PM   #10
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I swear to god Travis, I have found needle bearings, and what looked to be part of the bearing cage, in the pan... And the transmission still worked! It was noisy but I drove the truck another 10k miles like that! Lol

And it never stopped working! I drove the truck to the transmission shop to have it rebuilt!



My last one broke on a WOT 1-2 shift. I thought that a U-joint broke! It just stopped working and wouldn't go into any gear except reverse.

Geeze yeah sounds bad. Mine just lost 3rd while driving. Had to drive home in 2nd gear during rush hour. Was just hoping to get it home haha
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Does anyone know the size of the snap ring that holds the out put shaft in? I googled it and found one place that said 1-3/16ths but don't know if it's the right one. And I can't go measure it because I'm on vacation right now. Just want to have everything I need when I get back on Sunday.
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Old 08-17-2015, 03:24 AM   #12
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Well to answer my own question it is 1-3/16ths.

And got to re assembling it today. And didn't get as far as I wanted. I was hoping to get it all together but oh well. It's going pretty smoothly besides breaking my snap ring pliers

I'm impressed by this kit too. It's adds more clutches and has an upgraded planetary gear and its spins wayyyyy smother. Only thing that is annoying is that it said it came with the thrust washers but it doesn't come with all, and the one it does come with are plastic.

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And then for the high clutch pack you have to drill some holes in it and now that I broke my plies I can't do much more tonight.

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You continue to be braver than me. I'm all for hands on and trying new things, but I install things the wrong direction all the time, and the stakes seem pretty high with some of those install-any-direction trans parts! Let us know how it goes!
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Old 08-17-2015, 09:22 AM   #14
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I hear you I have a tendency to throw the directions away and end up doing things a couple time till the fit lol but I'm taking my time with this. This isn't my first time doing this, the first time was this my grandfather who rebuilt transmission for a living so I had a little guidance. But it is my time doing it alone and this time I got the whole kit so should have to worry about this again. But in all fairness this isn't really hard it's more just remembering where the thrust washers go. There are a lot of videos and how to for the c4 so if you get stuck just google it
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Since you adding more clutches this would certainly help the performance of the transmission.
There are more than a few companies making these.

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Yeah I keep looking at those along with valve body's and having to keep tell my self not now lol. I just have a little 6 so no need for those now pulse I'm low on funds with school starting now.
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Old 08-18-2015, 02:34 PM   #17
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Well another psa for any fellow I6 out there or anyone with a c4 that came out of a I6 the "high clutch" drum only allows for 4 clutches instead of the 5. The dum is smaller apparently, that would have been useful info to put in the instructions..... Should be ready to assemble now
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Thrust washers aren't that important are they?......
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Thrust washers aren't that important are they?......
Which one are you talking about, or are you asking if it's not important to put any of them back in.
My answer would be....yes they are important.
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Which one are you talking about, or are you asking if it's not important to put any of them back in.

My answer would be....yes they are important.

I left the one off that goes on the back of the pump shaft in accident and found it on my tool box after I put my transmission back in. I know they are important just trying to laugh before I burn the thing down
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If you haven't bought anything yet, this would be a good time to upgrade to a built AOD. Get that extra gear and an AOD done right is a ridiculously good trans.
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I hate it when that happens!

I'll bet that you never let it happen again though...
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I've bought, rebuilt and re installed everything! Lol I have plans to convert to a manual tho so I didn't really think about swapping it. This kit is more than I need for my 6.

And I don't think this is the last time it'll happen lol
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I left the one off that goes on the back of the pump shaft in accident and found it on my tool box after I put my transmission back in. I know they are important just trying to laugh before I burn the thing down
Well, at least next time you won't forget it........
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C4 rebuild

Yes lesson learned.
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I left the one off that goes on the back of the pump shaft in accident and found it on my tool box after I put my transmission back in. I know they are important just trying to laugh before I burn the thing down

Oh man, I feel your pain. Sometimes it's best to walk away, have a beer and sleep on it. I get so annoyed at myself when I forget things and have to do rework.
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That's a tough one. I guess the AOD fits if you have a V8 bell housing, but I don't know if the '68 200 does or not? I know there's no way to adapt to the '66

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Oh man, I feel your pain. Sometimes it's best to walk away, have a beer and sleep on it. I get so annoyed at myself when I forget things and have to do rework.

Yeah I had to walk away before I threw my tools haha and tbh never have thought about putting in a AOD so don't know anything about it.
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AODs are fully mechanical so no electronic shifting to worry about. They'll bolt to any windsor 302/351 and they can be built to handle stupid amounts of power. Silverfox makes a badass manual/automatic valvebody too.
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C4 rebuild

Hmmmm I'll have to look into that. My plan was to get a fox with smog issues or a **** tone of fees (easy in Cali) with a 302/t5 and just yank the stuff I need and junk out the rest. Then rebuild the 302 and stroke it to a 347. But that won't happen for a long time, like after college or if I run into a deal I can't pass up
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Well she's all together took her for a spin all gears work, a little slippage between shift need to adjust the bands a bit and the vacuum mod then should be good to go. Feels good to drive her again.
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Hmmmm I'll have to look into that. My plan was to get a fox with smog issues or a **** tone of fees (easy in Cali) with a 302/t5 and just yank the stuff I need and junk out the rest. Then rebuild the 302 and stroke it to a 347. But that won't happen for a long time, like after college or if I run into a deal I can't pass up
Since it will be a couple of years before you attempt to do the swap....why not wait and do this swap...much more up to date....and easier to work on plus you get the benefit of updating the front suspension for a much nicer ride...

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Well she's all together took her for a spin all gears work, a little slippage between shift need to adjust the bands a bit and the vacuum mod then should be good to go. Feels good to drive her again.
Great Job!
You should be proud of yourself...not a lot of people would have tackled rebuilding the trans.
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Good point. The 347 is my "plan" haha iv thought about a coyote and I guess in the end it probable be about the same cost in couple years. Only thing that discourages me from a coyote is that it needs computer and sensors.
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Good point. The 347 is my "plan" haha iv thought about a coyote and I guess in the end it probable be about the same cost in couple years. Only thing that discourages me from a coyote is that it needs computer and sensors.
I've been racing and building motors for some 40+ years and although you may never get into racing...........having this 14 TrakPak and wanting to get a little more power and still have it get 24/26 mpg is easy with the computer tuning and has actually been fun, although at first I was very intimidated.......I'm 70 and not really a wiz kid with the computer...with that said it is certainly a lot easier than tuning without one.
With the computer you get so much more information from the motor that is very essential to getting the most out of a motor....not just performance..proper AF ratio's for clean burning, and timing.....and all you have to do is plug in and read the results.
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