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Old 02-16-2007, 05:42 PM   #1
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Chevy 350, then roller 302, hands down.
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I couldn't make the other a poll....
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The poll sucks cause honestly GMs turbo 3.8 was the ****

then the 302 comes next
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The 3.8's are only good to 4-500 hp, i.e. low 12's to high 11's, and then you start having bad reliability issues.
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The poll sucks cause honestly GMs turbo 3.8 was the ****

then the 302 comes next
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The 3.8's are only good to 4-500 hp, i.e. low 12's to high 11's, and then you start having bad reliability issues.
Money solves all issues nah theres a guy around the corner that has a seriously built GN and that thing takes a beating every summer
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The 3.8's are only good to 4-500 hp, i.e. low 12's to high 11's, and then you start having bad reliability issues.
there's some daily driven 97+ 3.8s that run 10s, and at least 3 in the 9s.. I'm sure the GNs have even more of these..
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True, I guess this is kind of a vague topic. Maybe it will bring forth the SRT4 ownage we've been looking for HAHA
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ill tell you what Id take a GM 3.8 over the SRT4 motor

One of the few things i like that GM has done and its that sweet *** motor
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True, I guess this is kind of a vague topic. Maybe it will bring forth the SRT4 ownage we've been looking for HAHA
probably not, i didnt ever say it was the best motor, i said it was a good motor for its size and what it can do.

IMO best is the 4g63. followed by the 302 and then the LS1.

but this will probably become another closed minded pissing match between the "oh V8 are god bow down" zim and bullitt who cant see past their loyalties to the v8 to see when good engineering makes for good engines that can take abuse, make power and do it safely and reliably.
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but this will probably become another closed minded pissing match between the "oh V8 are god bow down" zim and bullitt who cant see past their loyalties to the v8 to see when good engineering makes for good engines that can take abuse, make power and do it safely and reliably.
No, but this is where you shut your damn mouth before you take a vacation :thumbs2:
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You can easily make 500 at the crank with a stock block LS1, naturally aspirated. It gets my vote.
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thomas -> before you go on defending the 4 bangers that can take a beating

Find me a 4 banger that can sound like a mildly worked v8, through its entire RPM range (to boot) and then maybe I'll think about giving them an ounce of credit...
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Mathmatically even, there is still no replacement for displacement. More displacement=more hp and tq, especially on the bottom end. Sure you can make 1000 hp from a 2.0 ltr, but at what rpm? and what kind of tq are you going to expect from it???? It's area under the curve that wins the games, not how high the curve goes. You should learn that.
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It's not that I'm V8 loyal cause it's a V8(well kinda), but it's the fact that more reliable, consisent hp can be created. Prime example of what works best. Pump gas drags are a great base for this discussion. What has been consistently winning the competition?? V8's. LS1 and the like to be exact. Have you EVER seen a 4 cyl make 1000+hp on pump gas??? Nope.
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Mathmatically even, there is still no replacement for displacement. More displacement=more hp and tq, especially on the bottom end. Sure you can make 1000 hp from a 2.0 ltr, but at what rpm? and what kind of tq are you going to expect from it???? It's area under the curve that wins the games, not how high the curve goes. You should learn that.
I knew that, but depends on the type of boost, too..

intercooled/built trans 3.8s have torque curves almost identical to my 92's (click link in sig) with their roots blowers.. when turbo'd their HP jumps up but tq stays about the same

And I'd like to see a SRT-4 with the same weight as my regal do decently at the track
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OOOHHH SORRY!!!! /\ That post was aimed at Thomas eleanor guy.
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I will say the chevy 350 is a badass motor too... our 95 suburban has 220,000 miles on it and has never had any engine based problem. No rebuilds, nothing. I love that truck.
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thomas -> before you go on defending the 4 bangers that can take a beating

Find me a 4 banger that can sound like a mildly worked v8, through its entire RPM range (to boot) and then maybe I'll think about giving them an ounce of credit...
you base a motors potential and capibilities based on sound of the exhaust?

thats probably the dumbest and short-sighted thing i have ever seen you type.

youre basing a motors potential on how it sounds?

it is true there is no better sound than the lope of a nicely modded v8, but i mean cmon, it has nothing to do with how well the motor responds to mods, how reliable, and how cheaply it can be modded.
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you base a motors potential and capibilities based on sound of the exhaust?

thats probably the dumbest and short-sighted thing i have ever seen you type.

youre basing a motors potential on how it sounds?

it is true there is no better sound than the lope of a nicely modded v8, but i mean cmon, it has nothing to do with how well the motor responds to mods, how reliable, and how cheaply it can be modded.
Actually I was basing it on my opinion of what I think is the best motor -> The point of this thread.

So yes, in this case, I will base my opinion, at least somewhat, on how it sounds, I4s are automatically excluded from my list.

Got a problem with it, you can kiss my near-sighted ***
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Isnt the DSM known for breaking down all the time? Doesnt sound reliable to me when the reputation of a car is that they break.
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from what I know about DSMs its mostly a transmission thing honestly
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It's not that I'm V8 loyal cause it's a V8(well kinda), but it's the fact that more reliable, consisent hp can be created. Prime example of what works best. Pump gas drags are a great base for this discussion. What has been consistently winning the competition?? V8's. LS1 and the like to be exact. Have you EVER seen a 4 cyl make 1000+hp on pump gas??? Nope.
lol i highly doubt anything can make 1000hp and not run at least some sort of 100octane or above, or some sort of secondary injection (meth/alch/h2o).

if pump gas means anything from a pump station, and the drag strip has C16 racing fuel, then yes, i have seen many a 4cyl make that power, not in person, but im sure it wouldnt take long to find videos online of them. AMS Evo off the top of my head.........
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I think I'll go with the one with a proven history of performance and reliability. The one that has an aftermarket that allows you not only to replace every single part in the motor cheaply, but have 30 different options while doing so. The one that has been used in "performance vehicles" for 40 years. No, not the 350 though.
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I think I'll go with the one with a proven history of performance and reliability. The one that has an aftermarket that allows you not only to replace every single part in the motor cheaply, but have 30 different options while doing so. The one that has been used in "performance vehicles" for 40 years. No, not the 350 though.
the 350 is cheaper to build, from what I hear... but I like my 302... (block)
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from what I know about DSMs its mostly a transmission thing honestly
bingo.

unless you talk about crankwalk, but that has been killed off, most who cry crankwalk merely mis-diagnosed their problem as numerous times during rebuilds the owners found their crank pulley was seperated, giving the same symptoms (aside from the clutch not being able to disengage during a sweeping right) of it. and even then, cwalk is was a 1 out of 20 case, and only for the 7bolt (92.5-99) 4g63 and only the fwd guys (very few cases of awd getting the walk). the fact its so widely used against dsm's is because there really isnt anything else to use. the tranny is only a given, since its so easy to make the 400 mark its a given your tranny wont hold up to awd launches at that point, however at stock to sub 350hp levels and little abuse, the tranny will never be an issue.
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FYI Mr.Know it all, the top contenders drove V-8's in the 8's in the quarter and here are the rules.

* Gasoline: The only fuel allowed during competition is the Rockett Brand spec gasoline that will be supplied. This is a 93-octane fuel. Cars are to be delivered to tech inspection with empty gas tanks and fuel lines; it is mandatory that fuel systems be fitted with a drain hose or petcock to easily verify that the entire system is empty. Any tools required to verify that the entire fuel system is empty must be provided by the racers during tech inspection. Fuel systems, including return lines, may be required to be flushed with Rockett Brand gas at the race director's discretion. Once empty, each car will be supplied a maximum of 10 gallons of Rockett Brand spec gas, and the fuel tank will be sealed. Any competitor caught adding fuel or caught with a supplemental fuel system or a broken seal will be disqualified. Octane boosters or fuel additives of any kind are not allowed. The only substances that may be injected into the engine are Rockett Brand spec gasoline, water, and nitrous oxide. Alcohol injection is not allowed. A fuel check of the winning cars will be required.

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The 2006 winner ran an 8.52 in the 1/4. Oh, and the ONLY reason all participants are required to run 93 Octane Rocket brand fuel is to keep everything consistent between competitors. In other words, only to stop people from getting bad gas from the gas station, and also some people getting better gas than others. No navgas, no leaded fuel, no C16, no problem.
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Let me see. How about none of them. A 03/04 Cobrs engine will give you more HP for your money any of these unless you want to make so much power that it would require a rebuild. Now you have the new Shelby engine that will make just as much hp for around the same $. WTF, you forgot to mention these motor but you mentioned a LS2.
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I'd say a LS1/LT1 would get my vote, and another one that people haven't said yet would be the 2JZ-GTE from the 93-97 Turbo Supras. They're a bit more expensive if you get the car with them, but are basically bulletproof.
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I was in between the 350, 302, and the 4G63. Parts for the for 4G are expensive. It's cheap to rebuild a 350 and 302 so those 2 get my vote.
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Ehhhh 302 if I had to pick...
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