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Old 05-08-2007, 09:18 PM   #1
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What's wrong with that?
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Re: The end of roush is here

roush has done nothing but ford vehicles for as long as I can remember. If roush is taking over the svt market then they should only do fords imo. It'd almost be as bad as if saleen started offering chevy parts.
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Re: The end of roush is here

GM guys don't want that crap, what are they thinking
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Re: The end of roush is here

I agree Roush has always been Ford ....Something just isnt right about this
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roush has done nothing but ford vehicles for as long as I can remember. If roush is taking over the svt market then they should only do fords imo. It'd almost be as bad as if saleen started offering chevy parts.


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wasnt that the camaro they worked on for the Transformer movie
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Re: The end of roush is here

Gotta expand the market to stay afloat. nothing too complicated about it.
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Re: The end of roush is here

I think it's great. Lingenfelter was always real big on the Corvettes, but it didn't bother me at all that they decided to do Vipers and whatever else they do.
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Re: The end of roush is here

I understand them wanting to get more into the market, but ford lost svt and now roush wont focus as much on the mustang. Dont get me wrong I love ta's and vette's, but it just doesn't seem right that roush is moving on to more then just ford.
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Re: The end of roush is here

Didn't Saleen already announce they will be doing work on the new GM sports cars? This is probably why.
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I understand them wanting to get more into the market, but ford lost svt and now roush wont focus as much on the mustang. Dont get me wrong I love ta's and vette's, but it just doesn't seem right that roush is moving on to more then just ford.
ford didnt "loose" SVT, they took it off the map....
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Re: The end of roush is here

well since more of the 05+ you see are about looks than performance, roush has to expand. Saleen is doing the same, Saleen will not only be doing the camaro for Transformers, but theyre slated to produce a Saleen Camaro.

more power to them, IMO its kinda narrow sighted to make only parts for one brand.

besides, maybe roush sees the end of ford is near and knows they need to get ready for a changeover.......plus i heard Roush doesnt like Shelby and was put off when he heard Shelby got his name on the most powerful production mustang ever, seeing roush has been working with ford for years now to get cars of that caliber onto the showroom floor and shelby walks in and signs his name and is in like flint.
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Re: The end of roush is here

Ford isnt going to "end"... if anything, in an extreme case they'll go private. But Ford will NOT just vanish.
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Re: The end of roush is here

id rather ford trim all the fat. stop making the cars nobody wants, and stop making or trying to produce cars that the competition has been decimating you in that category for the past decade, its too late, maybe if you didnt kill the Taurus and made it reliable and cheap you would still own the econobox market, now Corolla and Accord does.

Focus on the Mustang, F-Series trucks on american shores. Make the mustang at least 350hp base, no ****ing V6 option whatsoever, the base model IS the GT, however price it between the old V6 and GT models. the upgraded GT will be the LX, will make almost 400hp, utilize a 5.4L w/4v heads, 6spd and IRS, and be more of a drivers car. Priced at whatever the cheaper of the two Camaro or Challenger will base (v6) their base models at. might not make much profit per vehicle, but just think of what the buzz will be on a mustang you have to wait for, at that price, it will take sales of the challenger or camaro of equal performance potential. then for ****s and giggles, a SVT Cobra version, unlike the GT500, it will utilize the Terminator combo, forged 4.6L 4v with a revised (more efficient, equavilent to a stage3 steggy port) eaton, mated to a T56 and IRS out back. MSRP at 35k with a MMRSP (manufacturers maximum recommended sale price) of 45K. seeing the termie combo is pretty dated now, it wont cost as much (well, it shouldnt) to produce as it did in 03/04. and yes, there will still be a GT500 with the same setup, but with a MMRSP of 55k. The bottom line is i want a mustang at every light that the person next to them will want to think twice about what theyre getting into, no more "oh, its prolly a sixer" or "its just a GT" ****, itll all be capible of ownage from the factory.

SVT will also produce a new Lighting finally, however it will utilize a newly designed Eaton blown 6.2L Modular with 4v heads, a automatic 6spd thats more than capible of the abuse, and an option for 4wd. that ought to kick some major *** next time youre at a light and a SRT10 Ram thinks hes tough ****, or some smoker (modded turbo diesels) think they can wrap up a easy kill.

Ford will also produce a new Pinto. Taking the f00zion and redesigning it so it doesnt look like my Mach3 razor had sex with a civic. they will then make it awd with a 2.3L turbo producing 280hp at a mere 16psi with a motor/drivetrain capible of much much more. it will be priced at 25k with a MMRSP of 30k. a upgraded version, the SVT Pinto-R (jk, still working on the name) will produce 320hp by upping the boost to 20psi and will include a mazda tuned suspension.

Ford will also bring yet another Thunderbird to the mix. it will utilize almost the same chassis as the Miata, but will shoehorn a 4v, 4.6L with a 6spd into a car that doesnt look like crap. It will be a Corvette killer, its going to be nimble in the turns, and fire out of the corner like a monkey with its *** on fire. Upgraded SVT version will include, you guessed it, a Eaton, wider rear tires and upgraded suspension.

While youre at it, Bring over the Falcon. GM had a good run with the Monaro aka GTO, and since those wont be offered anymore, Ford, its your turn. just dont be stupid and try to overprice them.

dammit ive made a long post again! oh well.
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Re: The end of roush is here

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who says the base option needs to be a V6?

if the base option is a V8 at almost the same price, i dont see the implications? the base GT can be 25k out the door, which is basically what you would get a V6 for with all the trim goodies. i mean hell, it doesnt need to be 350hp like i said, they can keep it at 300 for insurance purposes, like all the "gentlemans law" with high end imports(skyline, supra, evo/sti, s2k), all rated at what like 275-280 when in reality some are much more when actually dynoed.
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Re: The end of roush is here

What would 99% of teenage girls drive if there was no v6 stang?
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Maybe if we all write Lingenfelter and ask him to build a Mustang then they will and we can listen to all the GM people wine.

Roush and Saleen.

Sadly only Steeda if all Ford now.
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BTW, I sure am glad I sold my Roush for a real SVT product, even if it is not as good looking.

John Coletti > Jack Roush, Steve Saleen, Carrol Shelby, and especially that *** who owns Ford.
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60-70% of all Mustang sales are for the base model V6. The GT and Cobra really dont do **** for sales compared to the base model.

I think they need to keep it like it is as far as having the V6 base, GT, then the GT500. They just need to make the cars lighter and put more performance in the GT and GT500. They need to put them out front. They are not designed to go after the vette.. the vette costs twice as much (when MSRP is used...) so you get what you pay for. The prices are way to high for the car... as of not the Mustang really has no direct competition in the domestic V8 market... this wont last so they had best get ready to push the Mustang farther or else it will fall behind just like it did to the LS1 and LT1 (even though money is the bottom line and the Mustang sold three to one over those cars)

To you its all about performance, to Ford its all about profit. They are making money so they dont give a crap. They are trying to find the sweet spot where they can pull the most amount of money from your pockets while spending the least.
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who says the base option needs to be a V6?

if the base option is a V8 at almost the same price, i dont see the implications? the base GT can be 25k out the door, which is basically what you would get a V6 for with all the trim goodies. i mean hell, it doesnt need to be 350hp like i said, they can keep it at 300 for insurance purposes, like all the "gentlemans law" with high end imports(skyline, supra, evo/sti, s2k), all rated at what like 275-280 when in reality some are much more when actually dynoed.

Well, I think all the parents that buy their teenage kids a mustang as their first car would have something to say about it. They won't want them to have a V8...specially a 350 hp model...not only for the power to death ratio...but the insurance rates that would ensue.

Then add in all the people that buy GTs. Once you apply the power:death/accident ratio to the GT model mustang, rates for anyone that owns a GT will convince a lot of people out of the mustang market.

Basically, no V6 option will kill the Mustang.
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thats cause you are all still thinking of the mustang as a mass produced vehicle and thinking of ford as it sits today. im not. my plan is based around a smaller ford that is focused not on quantity, but quality. the mustang will be a sports car for the working man, cheap and powerful. the price of insurance will help offset retards buying them and wrapping them around poles.

besides, people can kill themselves just as fast with 150hp v6 than 300hp v8. actually probably faster, give a kid a v6 mustang for his first car, hell prolly wrap it around the pole trying to prove how badass he is. make that same kid actually pay for his own car, be it a GT, and he will have more respect for it (seeing he is paying for it himself) and less likely to need to impress anyone that isnt a LS1 or above.
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besides, people can kill themselves just as fast with 150hp v6 than 300hp v8. actually probably faster, give a kid a v6 mustang for his first car, hell prolly wrap it around the pole trying to prove how badass he is. make that same kid actually pay for his own car, be it a GT, and he will have more respect for it (seeing he is paying for it himself) and less likely to need to impress anyone that isnt a LS1 or above.
That is the lamest analogy ever. If the only thing available is a V8...then the kid's parents are going to buy him the V8 if they buy a mustang. If Ford were to ditch the V6, there would not suddenly be this rule outlawing parents from buying their kid a GT. They would buy the GT. Punky would mash it to show off. Carnage would ensue.

Now, carnage is a lot harder to make in a V6. You don't just loose it in a V6 when entering a highway. Not enough torque to pass yourself just from stepping on the gas (On normal pavement, not ice mind you). However, a GT will quickly pass itself on a wet onramp if you downshift and step on it.

Sure, you can lose control of a V6. However, you must typically be moving already to lose control of it. A GT you can lose control of from a stop, rolling, etc.
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i cant if i try. ****ing kdw2's. i tried to do a burnout last night, failed. i cant get sideways in dry weather to save my life, and its hard to do even in rain.

besides, anyone who drives like that in the rain that doesnt know how to control their vehicle, is just being darwins guinea pig.

plus, parents have the responsibility to get their kids the proper vehicle if the parents choose to do so (some parents dont buy their children vehicles when the time comes, they make the kids get jobs and afford their own right off the bat). my kids wont have a mustang for their first car, even a v6, **** that, theyll get a corolla, something decrepidly slow. thats all they get from me, any other cars they want, they buy themselves. parents who buy their kids a v8 mustang as their first car are retarded, unless its a hand-me-down classic or something. i mean cmon, how many parents do you know that buys their kid a NEW car for their first car, let alone something nice like a mustang?
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What would 99% of teenage girls drive if there was no v6 stang?
they can join the other 97% of teenage girls and drive a vw bug?
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Ford can save themselves if they add heated/cooled cup holders in the mustangs.
10 years from now Toyota will probably own Ford anyways so just quit all your *****in. lol j/k
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i dont think many would buy a Toyota Mustang if their life depended on it.
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i dont think many would buy a Toyota Mustang if their life depended on it.
I think you greatly overestimate the brand loyalty of the American public.
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Roush is just positioning itself for the new Camaro's when they come just like Saleen. It only makes since, they will flying off car lots like the 05-07 mustangs. I think you will see alot of mustangs being traded in too. Alot people who bought 05-07 are not brand loyal. At the time that was the only american muscle being produced.
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eh i dunno bout flying off shelves. Chevy will overprice the camaro's like they did before, then the dealer will add a rediculous markup. in the end it will be just like the GTO, where you can get one for under 30k because its been sitting on the lot for a year.
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eh i dunno bout flying off shelves. Chevy will overprice the camaro's like they did before, then the dealer will add a rediculous markup. in the end it will be just like the GTO, where you can get one for under 30k because its been sitting on the lot for a year.
Time will tell. I hope they're very popular.
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GT'S?
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