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Old 07-14-2007, 10:55 AM   #1
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Ford Bringing Twin Turbos into the Lineup in 08

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is developing a new family of petrol fueled twin-turbo engines with four-cylinder, V6 and V8 powerplants all in the pipeline. The move is a key element of the Blue Oval’s plans to improve fuel economy and bring its engines in line with the competition from Europe’s carmakers.

Known as “twin-force”, the technology will debut in the upcoming Lincoln MKS flagship sedan due in 2008 and will eventually filter across most of Ford’s lineup. Derrick Kuzak, group vice president for global product development at Ford explained that twin-force will offer diesel-like fuel economy, reports Automotive News. Diesel motors currently offer 25 to 30% better fuel economy than their petrol counterparts.

In addition to the turbos, Ford will also be adding direct injection tech, which will increase output and improve fuel-economy further.

Kuzak revealed that there’s even more developments in the works. Ford will also be introducing V8 engines with cylinder deactivation, similar to GM’s displacement on demand and Chrysler’s upcoming Phoenix technology. Finally, they claim to be working on a new ‘power shift transmission’ that will be a six-speeder with the benefits of both a manual and auto gearbox, but considering the best automotive companies in the world haven’t yet managed to achieve this feat, we’re not holding much hope for Ford. Here’s hoping their dual-clutch transmissions are not too far from production.
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Re: Ford Bringing Twin Turbos into the Lineup in 08

I would like to know why they are doing twin-turbos instead of a single turbo.
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Re: Ford Bringing Twin Turbos into the Lineup in 08

On a V type engine I like Twins.

On a inline engine single.
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In most setups, a single can be more efficient than a twin.
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I know but on a 03/04 Slowbra I would rather have Twins.
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In most setups, a single can be more efficient than a twin.
yes however that goes in line with just making gratutious amounts of power.

from the factory, especially on a V type motor, a twin setup is probably easier to engineer than a single. one turbo per bank.

however i highly doubt well ever see turbo fords in affordable vehicles you or me can buy.
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yes however that goes in line with just making gratutious amounts of power.

from the factory, especially on a V type motor, a twin setup is probably easier to engineer than a single. one turbo per bank.

however i highly doubt well ever see turbo fords in affordable vehicles you or me can buy.
Could be more hope for the Cobra though.
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Could be more hope for the Cobra though.
lol doubt it. it would be another Grand National situation. a car that stock, cant do much compared to the higher priced, more performance oriented cars under the same maker at the time. but crank up the boost, and it was a monster.

ford wont let that happen. a turbo cobra with either the current forged 4.6 or 5.4 would DECIMATE a GT500 like it was its *****. as much as id love to see that happen, its ford, and im done holding my breath for them to make more badass affordable cars like they used to do.
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Could be more hope for the Cobra though.
What cobra? There isn't one any more. It died in 2004.
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What cobra? There isn't one any more. It died in 2004.
You mean SVT died in '04.
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Re: Ford Bringing Twin Turbos into the Lineup in 08

most of the twin turbo setups... are not one turbo per bank.. but one turbo to help spool the other.. Either way... boost is a good thing
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You mean SVT died in '04.
And it took the cobra with it....the new item of interest is not a cobra...it is a Shelby GT500...the cobras are only on it because they were on it back in the day as well with the originals. It is not a cobra.

The cobra is dead until the GT500 goes away...or SVT comes back.

In fact, they had planned on killing the cobra moniker anyhow because it was going to be used on the 2 seater shelby AC cobra that they created concepts for...but as you can see, they haven't come to light yet...but the cobra name is dead...died in 04 along with SVT.
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And it took the cobra with it....the new item of interest is not a cobra...it is a Shelby GT500...the cobras are only on it because they were on it back in the day as well with the originals. It is not a cobra.

The cobra is dead until the GT500 goes away...or SVT comes back.

In fact, they had planned on killing the cobra moniker anyhow because it was going to be used on the 2 seater shelby AC cobra that they created concepts for...but as you can see, they haven't come to light yet...but the cobra name is dead...died in 04 along with SVT.
And that car won't because it was too much to manufacturer.
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And it took the cobra with it....the new item of interest is not a cobra...it is a Shelby GT500...the cobras are only on it because they were on it back in the day as well with the originals. It is not a cobra.

The cobra is dead until the GT500 goes away...or SVT comes back.

In fact, they had planned on killing the cobra moniker anyhow because it was going to be used on the 2 seater shelby AC cobra that they created concepts for...but as you can see, they haven't come to light yet...but the cobra name is dead...died in 04 along with SVT.
the cobra will be back after "Retro" dies. the only reason the GT500 moniker is around is because it can make ford more money than the Cobra moniker. dealerships cant rape 30K over markup for a cobra, tell the customer its a GT500 and its a whole new ball game. even though we all know 95% of the engineering behind he GT500 is from SVT and would be a Cobra if it wasnt for Shelby signing his name on the dash and saying "i want solid rear because its easy and cheap for me to comprehend".
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the cobra will be back after "Retro" dies. the only reason the GT500 moniker is around is because it can make ford more money than the Cobra moniker. dealerships cant rape 30K over markup for a cobra, tell the customer its a GT500 and its a whole new ball game. even though we all know 95% of the engineering behind he GT500 is from SVT and would be a Cobra if it wasnt for Shelby signing his name on the dash and saying "i want solid rear because its easy and cheap for me to comprehend".
Too bad they stopped halfway on the GT500, as far as the suspension goes.
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Too bad they stopped halfway on the GT500, as far as the suspension goes.
They stopped halfway on a lot of aspects of the GT500...
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the cobra will be back after "Retro" dies. the only reason the GT500 moniker is around is because it can make ford more money than the Cobra moniker. dealerships cant rape 30K over markup for a cobra, tell the customer its a GT500 and its a whole new ball game. even though we all know 95% of the engineering behind he GT500 is from SVT and would be a Cobra if it wasnt for Shelby signing his name on the dash and saying "i want solid rear because its easy and cheap for me to comprehend".
I hope your right. Maybe this time they can bring John Coletti back and let him be in control of the program again. That would be great.

BTW I would think that the GT500 wouldn't make as much money for Ford as it would if it was just called Mustang Cobra as Ford wont be able to sell as many because of the high dealer markup. Ford sells the cars to the dealers for a set price and then the dealers mark them way up.

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Ford has not been ahead in the performance wars for quite sometime they are just poking around... they still outsell so they dont put the effort into it... I dont expect this to change ANY time soon they are just in it for the green not to make a car that mustang people REALLY want.
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Ford has not been ahead in the performance wars for quite sometime they are just poking around... they still outsell so they dont put the effort into it... I dont expect this to change ANY time soon they are just in it for the green not to make a car that mustang people REALLY want.
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BTW I would think that the GT500 wouldn't make as much money for Ford as it would if it was just called Mustang Cobra as Ford wont be able to sell as many because of the high dealer markup. Ford sells the cars to the dealers for a set price and then the dealers mark them way up.
this is true, however look at the msrp for a 03/04 cobra versus msrp for a GT500. i think what, the termies were 35k msrp, whereas a GT500 is 45k.

quantity is what makes ford money. dealers selling more cars and ordering more from the factory to keep their lot full to make more sales means ford produces more to meet demand. IMO if i were ford, id go ape**** if a dealership was asking double the MSRP for a vehicle, especially after poking around finding out that vehicle just sits in the showroom because nobody buys it. thats money ford is losing because of selfish dealerships. this is why go to any other car dealerships (nissan, yota, honduh) and look at their markups and see how many cars they move monthy versus ford, and look how they are doing economically speaking versus the big three.
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Yup but the ford GT is not a high production car and costs over twice as much... it should be a better car (and it really isnt not by much... sadly)
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Yup but the ford GT is not a high production car and costs over twice as much... it should be a better car (and it really isnt not by much... sadly)
And it was built at saleen...so ford didn't have much to do with the putting it together...which is why it is better.
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damn that was hilarious i like the cobra "moniker" rather than the gt500...i truly believe that ford is trying hard to reach the corvette market of 40+ middle age men who is trying to make a statement in life...they have been a little with the cobra but the whole "GT500" status i think they are going to make alot more money....i cant wait to get my hands on one jsut to see what its made of....
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hey look at the bright side of things when people start destroying there twin turbo power plants i should be able to get one out of the salvage yard for cheap hahahahahahaha
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And it was built at saleen...so ford didn't have much to do with the putting it together...which is why it is better.
Because the S7 also comes out of that same plant.

I believe they use the same cabin also.
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Ford has not been ahead in the performance wars for quite sometime they are just poking around... they still outsell so they dont put the effort into it... I dont expect this to change ANY time soon they are just in it for the green not to make a car that mustang people REALLY want.
Doesn't outselling your competition and making green indicate that you have a car that people "REALLY want"?
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Doesn't outselling your competition and making green indicate that you have a car that people "REALLY want"?
lol since when has ford outsold the competition and made any green? ford will be lucky to post a positive number by the end of the decade.
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lol since when has ford outsold the competition and made any green? ford will be lucky to post a positive number by the end of the decade.
ford as whole hasn't outsold it's competition in years, except for the full size truck and mustang market...mustangs have outsold their direct competition for years, hence the reason they haven't been scrapped...

but i wasnt saying that ford does outsell the competition or makes any money, i was just commenting on spector's statement several posts up...he made it sound as though a company only focused on making money and outselling the competition isn't making a car the consumer wants...which doesn't make much sense to me...

Ford as a whole doesn't make vehicles the consumer wants, but then again, none of the "big 3" really do...what a shame...
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ford as whole hasn't outsold it's competition in years, except for the full size truck and mustang market...mustangs have outsold their direct competition for years, hence the reason they haven't been scrapped...

but i wasnt saying that ford does outsell the competition or makes any money, i was just commenting on spector's statement several posts up...he made it sound as though a company only focused on making money and outselling the competition isn't making a car the consumer wants...which doesn't make much sense to me...

Ford as a whole doesn't make vehicles the consumer wants, but then again, none of the "big 3" really do...what a shame...
Right you are, the Mustang and F-150 are the bright spots in Fords lineup.
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would love to see the warranty that comes on the turbo's that'll be something!
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Ford as a whole doesn't make vehicles the consumer wants, but then again, none of the "big 3" really do...what a shame...
the general consumer just wants a vehicle to get them from point A to B. which is a shame imo, as america used to have a passion for awesome vehicles, but it seems that has died
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