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06-28-2012, 08:11 PM
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| 2004 explorer cel light
need some help guys. my explorer 4.0 flex fuel is getting a flashing cel light. i get code :
300. random misfires
303. cylinder 3 misfire
306. cylinder 6 misfire
316. misfire under 1000 rpm
when the light comes on it will flash and the car will misfire really bad. it is relly intermittent. sometime i cn drive all day. other times it will happen more often.
my thoughts are fuel filter as it needs it anyways. iac. and wires which it also needs.
one more thing. this started happening after a tensioner pulley locked up. when the pulley locked up it still ran, but started chugging and shaking relly bad. maybe something came loose. at first glance i didnt see anything obvious.
help please!
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06-28-2012, 08:27 PM
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| Re: 2004 explorer cel light
Check your coil(s)? It may have shaken loose a wire or it/they might be failing.
Also, if it has a crank sensor check that too. The shaking may have jarred something loose there. 
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06-28-2012, 08:31 PM
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sounds like good places to start. my first thought was a coil cause i thought that they possibly may have shared one. but i think they are on different ones. but i havent got to deep yet. im not that hip to newer ignition systems. thanx. i look into this weekend.
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06-28-2012, 08:47 PM
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Im gunna say coil packs...I had the same ”random” issue with my camaro..would run great then sometimes under wot it would miss and flash the eng light..took it to the dealer they told me evap solenoid I listened to them changed it same prob..took it to an f body specialist said cylinder missfire could be anywhere between the coils to the plugs.changed the packs prob fixed.
ps thats the last time I EVER went to the dealer for issues (bout 10yrs ago)
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06-28-2012, 08:52 PM
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| Re: 2004 explorer cel light
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Originally Posted by dreamstang  sounds like good places to start. my first thought was a coil cause i thought that they possibly may have shared one. but i think they are on different ones. but i havent got to deep yet. im not that hip to newer ignition systems. thanx. i look into this weekend. | I'm pretty sure you can test the "coil packs" if it has them.
What year is your Explorer?
I have a book on my Ranger that goes from 02-05 if it will help.
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06-28-2012, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Trojan Horse
I'm pretty sure you can test the "coil packs" if it has them.
What year is your Explorer?
I have a book on my Ranger that goes from 02-05 if it will help.
| 2004 4.0 flex fuel
i was gonna check ohms. i can probably check all the coils and see if they match maybe? i do have a haynes/chilton for all my vehicles but i havent got one for this as it hasnt been needed yet but definitly time for a purchase.
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06-28-2012, 09:14 PM
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| Re: 2004 explorer cel light
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Originally Posted by dreamstang 2004 4.0 flex fuel
i was gonna check ohms. i can probably check all the coils and see if they match maybe? i do have a haynes/chilton for all my vehicles but i havent got one for this as it hasnt been needed yet but definitly time for a purchase. | My book lists both the pushrod and the SOHC engine, but has nothing on the Flex Fuel. 
I did find a coil pack test procedure though. If you need it I can try to scan it in?
Just let me know.
Oh, yeah, be sure to check the wires and plugs on the cylinders with the trouble codes.
It may be a simple wire/plug issue.
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06-28-2012, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Trojan Horse
My book lists both the pushrod and the SOHC engine, but has nothing on the Flex Fuel.
I did find a coil pack test procedure though. If you need it I can try to scan it in?
Just let me know.
Oh, yeah, be sure to check the wires and plugs on the cylinders with the trouble codes.
It may be a simple wire/plug issue. | it is sohc. well i definitly wont get to it tonight. so no rush. but sure ill take it until i get a chance to get a book.
thanx man. i did do a quick glance at all the wires before i even pulled the codes. but know that i know the exact one, i can better look.
one more thing. i dont think its related, but you never know. i have been smelling some coolant lately. this started happening some time before my current issue. i have not found any leaks. and it runs at normal temp. it didnt bug me that much before, but i was keeping an eye on it. but i didnt know if something was up with the collant, if it could be faulty sensor readings or something.
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06-28-2012, 09:30 PM
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Coolant smell maybe ”maybe” water pump goin bad pushin a bit of coolant out of the weep hole?..a small enough amout it evaporates but gives a stink?..
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06-28-2012, 09:31 PM
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| Re: 2004 explorer cel light
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Originally Posted by dreamstang it is sohc. well i definitly wont get to it tonight. so no rush. but sure ill take it until i get a chance to get a book.
thanx man. i did do a quick glance at all the wires before i even pulled the codes. but know that i know the exact one, i can better look.
one more thing. i dont think its related, but you never know. i have been smelling some coolant lately. this started happening some time before my current issue. i have not found any leaks. and it runs at normal temp. it didnt bug me that much before, but i was keeping an eye on it. but i didnt know if something was up with the collant, if it could be faulty sensor readings or something. | About the coolant.
I have noticed on almost every SOCH/DOCH engine I have been around with the hood open and the engine is hot that I can smell antifreeze. I don't know if it is in the overflow systems or what but it seems to be the norm for most 4,6 & 8 cylinder engines of that configuration that I've seen.
If it is not losing enough to notice I wouldn't think it could cause any problems.
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06-28-2012, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Trojan Horse
About the coolant.
I have noticed on almost every SOCH/DOCH engine I have been around with the hood open and the engine is hot that I can smell antifreeze. I don't know if it is in the overflow systems or what but it seems to be the norm for most 4,6 & 8 cylinder engines of that configuration that I've seen.
If it is not losing enough to notice I wouldn't think it could cause any problems. | yeah the level stays the same.
it never worried me to much. i just thought that i would throw that in there. never hurts to have to much facts when trouble shooting. 
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Originally Posted by XXSTEVEO66 Coolant smell maybe ”maybe” water pump goin bad pushin a bit of coolant out of the weep hole?..a small enough amout it evaporates but gives a stink?.. | yeah i checked everywhere. cause i fugured it would some kind of leak. but everything is nice and clean.
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06-28-2012, 09:48 PM
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^that's what she said!..
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06-28-2012, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by XXSTEVEO66 ^that's what she said!.. | lol
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06-28-2012, 11:00 PM
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| Re: 2004 explorer cel light
Ignition Coil Test - Finally!
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06-29-2012, 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Trojan Horse Ignition Coil Test - Finally! | Cool. Thanx
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06-29-2012, 08:12 AM
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I'm pretty certain it's Crank Case Sensor. In previous experiences with a certain government motors product ( My dads Oldsmobile intrigue) I had that problem occur. It was indeed the crank case sensor. Coil's in my experience on my Mom's Lincoln Aviator 4.6l V8 don't throw out misfires that I recall.
On a side note: I would suggest if you do find the coils to be defective make sure to replace the plugs.
As you will find in 15,000 miles you'll be at it again.
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06-29-2012, 08:21 AM
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The coolant smell mite be the intake or a headgasket
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06-29-2012, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by garbill2003 The coolant smell mite be the intake or a headgasket | I never checked compression or anything. But it has been doing this for a while. And I don't have any smoke in the tail pipe and I don't loose/use oil or coolant out of the norm. Also there is no oil the coolant or coolant in the oil. So hopefully she's good there.
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06-29-2012, 01:32 PM
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The oil doesn't have to leak into antifreeze or antifreeze into oil they can leak on the outside to | |
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06-29-2012, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by garbill2003 The oil doesn't have to leak into antifreeze or antifreeze into oil they can leak on the outside to | Yeah, no leaks at all though and no smoke. It was a good thought though. Thanx for reply.
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It would be cool to know what is was though.
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06-29-2012, 02:30 PM
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If nothin is really leaking then I might think as TH said its common to smell coolant on those vehicles..is the coolant overflow a sealed system?...i.e don't open it when it hot!..lol...maybe it's just some fumes escaping or some jazz like that..
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06-29-2012, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by XXSTEVEO66 If nothin is really leaking then I might think as TH said its common to smell coolant on those vehicles..is the coolant overflow a sealed system?...i.e don't open it when it hot!..lol...maybe it's just some fumes escaping or some jazz like that.. | im not sure what is called. there isnt even a radiator cap. you only add coolant to the overlow, which is baffled. so i guess it would be sealed?
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Originally Posted by 99ford I'm pretty certain it's Crank Case Sensor. In previous experiences with a certain government motors product ( My dads Oldsmobile intrigue) I had that problem occur. It was indeed the crank case sensor. Coil's in my experience on my Mom's Lincoln Aviator 4.6l V8 don't throw out misfires that I recall.
On a side note: I would suggest if you do find the coils to be defective make sure to replace the plugs.
As you will find in 15,000 miles you'll be at it again. | i didnt even see you post on here earlier. oops. the plugs only have a couple thousand miles on them. i will look into the crank sensor. trojan suspects that to. thanx.
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ok guys. when the tensioner pulley looked up, i only changed the pulley. the whole tensioner looks like it needs replaced. it is shaking pretty good. will the shaking of the tensioner throw off the crank sensor from the belt not getting a steady tenion?
sorry if im slow on this. i am an old school guy. but the coils are inside of the pack? i have to take the four screws on the corners out and dissamble?
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06-29-2012, 07:01 PM
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Yeah thats the sealed overflow...not sur if that's what it should be called but way back when I worked at jiffy lube that's what we called it just sayin its hot so you cant pop the cap....uhh the crank sensor I would supose it wouldn't be directly affected by the by the belt tentioner being that it's off of the crank that does all the work anywho...
The coil pack though (many car are different) should just be screwed onto a plate and removal is that easy but no you don't have to take them apart they are one piece..
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A pick might help of the coil pack/packs...my camaro has 3 each one fires for 2 cylinders..but newer cars (ls motors atleast) have 1 for each cylinder..no idea how the exploders work..
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06-29-2012, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by XXSTEVEO66 Yeah thats the sealed overflow...not sur if that's what it should be called but way back when I worked at jiffy lube that's what we called it just sayin its hot so you cant pop the cap....uhh the crank sensor I would supose it wouldn't be directly affected by the by the belt tentioner being that it's off of the crank that does all the work anywho...
The coil pack though (many car are different) should just be screwed onto a plate and removal is that easy but no you don't have to take them apart they are one piece..
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A pick might help of the coil pack/packs...my camaro has 3 each one fires for 2 cylinders..but newer cars (ls motors atleast) have 1 for each cylinder..no idea how the exploders work.. | well there are 3 coils for six cylinders. im still not understanding where i should test. and i cant tell by the picture trojan posted, even zoomed in on my ipad.
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this is what it looks like. i just test from terminal to terminal?
i just remembered why i like my carb. lol
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06-29-2012, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 99ford I'm pretty certain it's Crank Case Sensor. In previous experiences with a certain government motors product ( My dads Oldsmobile intrigue) I had that problem occur. It was indeed the crank case sensor. Coil's in my experience on my Mom's Lincoln Aviator 4.6l V8 don't throw out misfires that I recall.
On a side note: I would suggest if you do find the coils to be defective make sure to replace the plugs.
As you will find in 15,000 miles you'll be at it again. | Government Motors... Hehe
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06-29-2012, 07:20 PM
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Dude...im as lost as you when it comes to testing them..mine just went bad so I replaced them:/
Where the F is this trojan guy when you need him anyway?...lol
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06-29-2012, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by XXSTEVEO66 Dude...im as lost as you when it comes to testing them..mine just went bad so I replaced them:/
Where the F is this trojan guy when you need him anyway?...lol | Lol. I can test my single coil. Haha
But ill get back to it. I just found an article for dummies.
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06-29-2012, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dreamstang
Lol. I can test my single coil. Haha
But ill get back to it. I just found an article for dummies.
| I need the book on life for dummies lol..
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06-29-2012, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by XXSTEVEO66
I need the book on life for dummies lol..
| +4, wait, I can't even do that right.
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06-29-2012, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by XXSTEVEO66
I need the book on life for dummies lol..
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06-29-2012, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure
+4, wait, I can't even do that right.
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06-29-2012, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by XXSTEVEO66
Well your futurama avatar is awesome!..i believe phillip j fry is a real character based off of myself | Lol!
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06-29-2012, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dreamstang | Nice well I only have the first.2 tools on the list so im fwacked!..oh wait my dd don't gots foil packs haha..
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06-29-2012, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by dreamstang | Great find!! I like how it says go to test 4, 5, etc.. This is better than the book.
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06-29-2012, 08:23 PM
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There was a link within that website for 4.6 COP test too. I always just checked ohms, but will probably give this a shot in the future. Thanks! http://easyautodiagnostics.com/ford_...ion_ford_1.php
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