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Old 10-01-2013, 11:20 PM   #1
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b16 honda vs 289 notch race

Yesterday I seen a raced with a 302 notch and and a ek b16 civic..... Civic spanked the stang. I figured if this guy built a high revving 289 tall gearing and gutted the car he would spank the civic. How are these 4bangers able to beat these v8 beast
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:30 PM   #2
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These civics can actually be supped up pretty good. Especially the civic si's. But idk I beat a b18 swap civic 5 speed with my v6 auto. I would love to have have 4 cyl especially a wrx
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It was a b16 fully gutted on slicks. Mustang was notch on slicks.... Bad driving maybe?
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If it was a 5 speed he probably missed a gear. Don't see how a b16 would beat him unless it was turboed
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I also seen a clip of a similar set up.png youtube when I was trying to.gain insight
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Identical cars. This civic has a ;20 instead of a b16
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I can pretty easily beat a bolt on b20 with my car. I would assume the guy in the notch messed up or the b16 had more done than you knew about.
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Civic in the clip had a k20
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Civic in the clip had a k20
The Honda can be quick in the 1/4 if done right iv seen lots on b20 vtec N/A builds do mid 12
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It all comes down to power to weight.

A K20 can make 230whp with just bolt ons.
A B16 can make over 200whp with a bit more work.

Depending on the Civic, a gutted one can weigh less than 2000lbs.

So, assuming the standard 15% drivetrain loss, that could put a K20 Civic at 265hp (crank) with a weight of 2000 lbs, that comes down to a power to weight ratio of 7.54 lbs per hp.

If we take the same car and give it a 200whp B16, again with the standard 15% drivetrain loss, that would put the B16 Civic at 230hp (crank). That would give this car a power to weight of 8.69lbs per hp. That would mean that between this car and a new 5.0, it could be surprisingly close.

A new Mustang GT with 420hp and a weight of 3600lbs only has a power to weight of 8.57lbs per hp.

A stock Notchback Mustang (Third Gen) only made 225hp to the crank and weighed 3200lbs. That's a power to weight of 14.22lbs per hp. So unless that car was making signifigantly more power or was on a serious diet, it was bound to be slow.


It's amazing what a small amount of power can do when it doesn't have to move much weight.
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A really low weight can win a lot of races, but if it is for example a mile drag the low power and weight can't overcome the air drag and the high power and weight car will come flying back into the lead.
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What is a 289 NOTCH?

Having owned a few 289s back in the day I have to say that unless you had a K-coder or did a lot of work to it, they were nothing special compared to todays cars. Hopped up Civics can be pretty quick
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Notch back with a 289 instead of th 5.0
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Notch back with a 289 instead of th 5.0
When I hear notchback, I'm thinking 1964-1973, or is this something later? If one has a 302, why would they want a 289? We always went bigger from a 289 (302 for the better heads, 351 for more torque).
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High revving 289 with a light body will utilize horse power. use a tall rear end to compensate for the torque. I seen 289 beat half *** built 351 all day
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High revving 289 with a light body will utilize horse power. use a tall rear end to compensate for the torque. I seen 289 beat half *** built 351 all day
Lol you can make a 302 or a 351 a high revving motor why would you ever want to build a 289?
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Lol you can make a 302 or a 351 a high revving motor why would you ever want to build a 289?

+1^ Here is a 351 that I built that would turn 7½K all day long. I never got beat by a 289.
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My neighbors has a 289 redlines at 8250 in a 88 notch gutted. Weighs about 2800 lbs. He has raced many 303 and 351. Like I said maybe they are just half assed built
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My neighbors has a 289 redlines at 8250 in a 88 notch gutted. Weighs about 2800 lbs. He has raced many 303 and 351. Like I said maybe they are just half assed built
But what has he done to it? I guarantee it's far from stock if it's turning 8250.
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Of course I like how it "eats revs" bottom end is horrible but it makes up for it up high in the rpm range
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My neighbors has a 289 redlines at 8250 in a 88 notch gutted. Weighs about 2800 lbs. He has raced many 303 and 351. Like I said maybe they are just half assed built
Lol what kind of et is he putting down?
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He never pushes the motor. Major sandbagging..
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I was at the race track a while ago and saw a guy with a 90s Honda 4 cylinder, he had gutted it and was on spray. Each race he would totally obliterate bigger Supped up v8s easily. Once he reached the end of the track he would have to push his Honda back because the engine had seized up. His crew had a bunch of crate motors waiting, they would just pull the seized up one out and throw the next one in.
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