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Old 07-22-2014, 09:11 PM   #211
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I always pop it in to sportshift and floor it. One time in crowded traffic one would get back up to me, and glare at me, that happened about 4 times before I just switched lanes to directly in front of it.

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Ok... I'm sold!



Anything that uses that much fuel has got to be making some good power!

Lol than my 2v is a nascar race car
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Ok... I'm sold!

Anything that uses that much fuel has got to be making some good power!
😔 I'm a slow poke. I get 19.2mpg ATM lol

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Here's another article about the Hellcat. It talks a little more about the handling characteristics of this beast. They defend its boat-like nature by saying it's a muscle car, and doesn't pretend to be anything else. It has a 57/43 front-rear weight split. So it has a tendency to under-steer. But they say it is very predictable and stable through the corners.

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Side note, a lot of these articles on the interwebs mention the test track in Portland (OR), and I am very happy to say that I was lucky enough to get to see that car. The car in the videos and magazines is the same car I took pictures of with my phone.
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Here's another article about the Hellcat. It talks a little more about the handling characteristics of this beast. They defend its boat-like nature by saying it's a muscle car, and doesn't pretend to be anything else. It has a 57/43 front-rear weight split. So it has a tendency to under-steer. But they say it is very predictable and stable through the corners.

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It is a cool feeling huh I was talk to a coworker who is part of the challenger club he said they tested all day then cleaned it up for the show we were at


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The new LT4 DI SUPERCHARGED engine destined for the new Camaro ZL1 , very likely ....
The FAT CAT better watch out.

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New ZL1 spied.

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Chevys new BEAST LSX 454R naturally aspirated and rated at 770 Hp

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Chevys new BEAST LSX 454R naturally aspirated and rated at 770 Hp

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Good luck putting it in a production car. Needs 110 octane minimum (race fuel).
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Yeah that's just a race engine albeit very impressive it is , but the new LT4 is NO JOKE I predict 708 Hp for the new ZL1 Camaro.
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Thanks for the links, Glad. This new-age pony car war is getting exciting. We live in a good day. And these cars are all just going to get better with aftermarket support. Just think, all these 600+hp engines still have all the emissions crap on them. Yessir, we have a lot to look forward to as people start opening these things up.
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Thanks for the links, Glad. This new-age pony car war is getting exciting. We live in a good day. And these cars are all just going to get better with aftermarket support. Just think, all these 600+hp engines still have all the emissions crap on them. Yessir, we have a lot to look forward to as people start opening these things up.
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Is Ford getting ready to announce a 750 HP SVT Mustang? | HorsepowerKings.com
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The next SVT will be plenty fast 650+ hp. It doesn't even have to match the 707 Hp , this platform is all about handling and being fast in every way, not just straight lines. Due to it's MASSIVE weight advantage the FAT CAT will not have a chance in HELL to compete either in a straight line or / especially in corners. Plus the new chassis will be able to put the power to the ground a much more rigid foundation to build on.

On the other hand If Ford doesn't build a 750HP SVT S550 than the 13/14 GT500 goes down as the MOST POWERFUL mustang ever. If they do put the Trinity motor In the S550 all it needs is a pulley and a tune to get to 750HP.
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This thread is full of lols, FULL of e-peening and interwebs racers. Seems to be staying on topic for the most part though. Although it is laughable at all the hate, I think if anyone in here had the opportunity to own a Hellcat they'd jump on it like Ricky Lake on some Steak Umms.

And as I stated before and will state again, this thing (the Hellcat) has an auto option. At these power levels nobody seems to be talking about how the stick becomes a liability in a drag race and IIRC the Mustang and the Camaro are stick only for the ZL1 and GT500 correct? Just reading a little on the Hellcat site about the customizeable launch control and manual shift point inputs is enough to get me all hot and bothered.
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You guys wait till I turbo my 3.7!!!! AND it has the far superior MANual transmission!!!!!

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You guys wait till I turbo my 3.7!!!! AND it has the far superior MANual transmission!!!!!

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You wait until your turbo is building boost and the auto guy never left boost since he put his foot down lol
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Here's what counts

Ford better get their act together
Now that the Boss is gone and can be picked up for pennys
compared to the sicko dealer premium upcharges that were tacked on to its inital offering. i saw a 2013 brand new SEGA BOSS asking $75,000 at the dealer last year

There are many that will buy a used Boss then this new James bond version of the 2015 Mustang. 435 HP , Big FN deal.

500 HP in A Standard GT is a must for this cars survival
now that the 505 HP Z / 28 and the 485 HP scat pak challengers are on board.

IRS and relocated cup holders arent gonna save The Mustang from extinction with American consumers wanting MORE HP.

2016 Mustangs with much more HP will be the only insurance policy to keep the car alive . Congradulations to Dodge for uping the ante on the wish list.

A 435 HP GT is a Joke
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You wait until your turbo is building boost and the auto guy never left boost since he put his foot down lol

Well that sarcasm went over your head
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Well that sarcasm went over your head

Lol yeah it did
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Here's what counts

Ford better get their act together
Now that the Boss is gone and can be picked up for pennys
compared to the sicko dealer premium upcharges that were tacked on to its inital offering. i saw a 2013 brand new SEGA BOSS asking $75,000 at the dealer last year

There are many that will buy a used Boss then this new James bond version of the 2015 Mustang. 435 HP , Big FN deal.

500 HP in A Standard GT is a must for this cars survival
now that the 505 HP Z / 28 and the 485 HP scat pak challengers are on board.

IRS and relocated cup holders arent gonna save The Mustang from extinction with American consumers wanting MORE HP.

2016 Mustangs with much more HP will be the only insurance policy to keep the car alive . Congradulations to Dodge for uping the ante on the wish list.

A 435 HP GT is a Joke
Lol.
Everyone seems to forget about the CobraJet. It can break into the 9's with only 425 hp.
You can buy one from your local dealership and it is a factory built car. I know that it isn't street legal, but, if you lump it into the "We'll build it if you can pay for it" cars that the factories are offering nowadays, well, IT WINS!
In the quarter mile anyway...
And it IS possible to get one registered to drive on the street... In CA anyway.

It's fun to watch what the American automakers can come up with while competing with each other. It is a little reminiscent of the 60's but, then, it was no joke.. The big "four" all had factory sponsored race teams and it was serious business back then. Ever since the factories stopped formally racing, they just wait and see what the other guy introduces, and, if they feel like it (or can!), introduce a more powerful version of their own product for the next model year. So technically, Ford has the upper hand at the moment... Chrysler and GM have shown their cards... Now it's Fords turn.
I'd kind of like to see a Hurricane/Boss platform "777" shoehorned into the '15. It would be like the old "big block" days again.
The Boss 429.
And a naturally aspirated 700 hp engine would make all of us Mustang guys happy!
It is a great time to be an American car fan!
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Here's what counts

Ford better get their act together
Now that the Boss is gone and can be picked up for pennys
compared to the sicko dealer premium upcharges that were tacked on to its inital offering. i saw a 2013 brand new SEGA BOSS asking $75,000 at the dealer last year

There are many that will buy a used Boss then this new James bond version of the 2015 Mustang. 435 HP , Big FN deal.

500 HP in A Standard GT is a must for this cars survival
now that the 505 HP Z / 28 and the 485 HP scat pak challengers are on board.

IRS and relocated cup holders arent gonna save The Mustang from extinction with American consumers wanting MORE HP.

2016 Mustangs with much more HP will be the only insurance policy to keep the car alive . Congradulations to Dodge for uping the ante on the wish list.

A 435 HP GT is a Joke
One thing Mustang has going in it's favor is it's loyal following. Lets remember, the Mustang NEVER stopped production. The Challenger came, the Challenger left, and now its back. Why? Because the Camaro and Mustang HP fever is going again, and the Challenger wants back in.

What this does for folks like us is get the engineers all hot and bothered, so they tweek and re-design to become king. We benefit.
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I've said many times, THIS is the golden age of horsepower, not the "muscle car era". The Mustang will remain competitive, we just have to see what Ford is going to do. You really can't go wrong no matter which way you go IMO.

And as far as 435hp being pitiful, it isn't all about power. There are a LOT of cars making huge power that will get their *** just handed to them by a car making 400-500 at the tires because they don't have as good a total package as the next guy.
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What is the criteria to meet the number of "a LOT of cars", and I would like to see the entire list please?

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Why are all of these cars gigantic? That's what I want to know. They, Chrysler, said that the new Challengers took a lot of styling from the 1970's version... just at a 6:5 scale. Why? Even the new smaller, sleeker chassis the Camaro is being set on is a 3500# frame from a four door luxury sedan. I am a fan of stuffing as much engine into as little of a car that can hold it. To be honest, I would be really happy to see a 2016 fox body. I think that coupes that are the same size as sedans are just silly. The Challenger is literally within 2" of being the same size as the four door Charger in every measurable direction. Once again, why?
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Why are all of these cars gigantic? That's what I want to know. They, Chrysler, said that the new Challengers took a lot of styling from the 1970's version... just at a 6:5 scale. Why? Even the new smaller, sleeker chassis the Camaro is being set on is a 3500# frame from a four door luxury sedan. I am a fan of stuffing as much engine into as little of a car that can hold it. To be honest, I would be really happy to see a 2016 fox body. I think that coupes that are the same size as sedans are just silly. The Challenger is literally within 2" of being the same size as the four door Charger in every measurable direction. Once again, why?

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Why are all of these cars gigantic? That's what I want to know. They, Chrysler, said that the new Challengers took a lot of styling from the 1970's version... just at a 6:5 scale. Why? Even the new smaller, sleeker chassis the Camaro is being set on is a 3500# frame from a four door luxury sedan. I am a fan of stuffing as much engine into as little of a car that can hold it. To be honest, I would be really happy to see a 2016 fox body. I think that coupes that are the same size as sedans are just silly. The Challenger is literally within 2" of being the same size as the four door Charger in every measurable direction. Once again, why?

Comparitively, Every year these cars get heavier, due to increasingly more strict safety and crash test requirements. It's all the additional air bags, and safety equipment they need to add on, that keeps making these cars so heavy. That's not ALL the reason for it, But it does contribute. Another reason might be for the everyday average buyer. People want room to move around in the car, and fit 4 people comfortably in a coupe. Don't ask me why, but a lot of these people are buying these cars as family haulers. If the trend continues, They'll need to keep upping the power every year, just to keep up with the increased weight! Lol


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Why are all of these cars gigantic? That's what I want to know. They, Chrysler, said that the new Challengers took a lot of styling from the 1970's version... just at a 6:5 scale. Why? Even the new smaller, sleeker chassis the Camaro is being set on is a 3500# frame from a four door luxury sedan. I am a fan of stuffing as much engine into as little of a car that can hold it. To be honest, I would be really happy to see a 2016 fox body. I think that coupes that are the same size as sedans are just silly. The Challenger is literally within 2" of being the same size as the four door Charger in every measurable direction. Once again, why?
Because they built it on an existing frame/chassis; the Chrysler 300 I believe. This was done to keep the initial development costs down.

I heard that the reborn Baracuda was to have an "all new" platform, but now thats been shelved for awhile.
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Comparitively, Every year these cars get heavier, due to increasingly more strict safety and crash test requirements. It's all the additional air bags, and safety equipment they need to add on, that keeps making these cars so heavy. That's not ALL the reason for it, But it does contribute. Another reason might be for the everyday average buyer. People want room to move around in the car, and fit 4 people comfortably in a couple. Don't ask me why, but a lot of these people are buying these cars as family haulers. If the trend continues, They'll need to keep upping the power every year, just to keep up with the increased weight! Lol


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I've said many times, THIS is the golden age of horsepower, not the "muscle car era". The Mustang will remain competitive, we just have to see what Ford is going to do. You really can't go wrong no matter which way you go IMO.

And as far as 435hp being pitiful, it isn't all about power. There are a LOT of cars making huge power that will get their *** just handed to them by a car making 400-500 at the tires because they don't have as good a total package as the next guy.


You are correct sir something I'm beginning to realize more and more.

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Why are all of these cars gigantic? That's what I want to know. They, Chrysler, said that the new Challengers took a lot of styling from the 1970's version... just at a 6:5 scale. Why? Even the new smaller, sleeker chassis the Camaro is being set on is a 3500# frame from a four door luxury sedan. I am a fan of stuffing as much engine into as little of a car that can hold it. To be honest, I would be really happy to see a 2016 fox body. I think that coupes that are the same size as sedans are just silly. The Challenger is literally within 2" of being the same size as the four door Charger in every measurable direction. Once again, why?

Went to a car show last year and a guy had both of his parked next to one another. I snapped a few pictures just showing how the new one towers over the old. Even more noticeable in person. The '70 looks like a toy next to the '10.
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I'm still amazed at how different the new Challenger looks from the old one ... yet it looks very similar.
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