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Old 05-17-2006, 01:37 PM   #1
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Not impressed with test drive

So I've been test driving different mustangs lately and I think I had too high of expectations for the GT. I drove an 03 with only 14k miles on it. Between 1,000-3000 RPM's it felt really sluggish. I thought with the added torque it would be quick out of the hole and push me back a bit.

Once i floored it and hit 3500 RPM's or so the car took off fine but I didn't like the sluggish feeling off idle. Is this how the GT's are? It was stock except for exhaust. I drove a 01 and it performed the same way as well. The v6 I had with all the bolt ons and a tune felt more torquey out of the hole.
Does the weight difference even out the extra 70hp the GT's have over my old 99?

I was set on getting a GT but now I'm not so sure anymore.
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LS1 F-Bodies are calling your name.
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I had a rental 05 GT and was on the getting on the interstate with a 99-04 GT not sure what year exactly because he never got next to me. But I stomped on it as evidently he did. Know there are a lot of unknowns here like if he had any mods but I could not really pull on him as hard as I thought I would. He started about 3 car lengths when I stomped on it and had maybe 4 when I hit 100mph. The 05-06 feels heavy.
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Re: Not impressed with test drive

Seriously, I would not even look at the 2v 4.6's. Look for a `99-`01 Cobra. You can get one with resonable milage for just a little more than the used GT's.
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Re: Not impressed with test drive

with 4.10 gears in the rear end.. 2V 4.6s can be very worthwhile.. I miss mine with a passion sooo easy to mod, easy to drive and I got 22-23 MPG on my drive to work.. using regular..
next test drive, try this.. rev it to about 2000 RPM then let the clutch most of the way out and floor it right as you take your foot off the clutch.. then see if you change your mind at all..

or you could dump it and floor it at the same time and smoke the crap outta the tires... that'll be enjoyable also.. and pisses the salesmen/women off
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Re: Not impressed with test drive

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Yes...they are screaming "RUN AWAY!!!!!"

As for the GTs, they have more umph up top than they do down low. It is the standard behavior...at least that is what I experienced with my 5 speed 2000.
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thats how they are they dont peak tq till 4k rpms and they are top end motors~ not enough tq down low for me. I would look at a mach 1 or 99-01 cobra before I purchased a 2v 4.6
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thats how they are they dont peak tq till 4k rpms and they are top end motors~ not enough tq down low for me. I would look at a mach 1 or 99-01 cobra before I purchased a 2v 4.6
do you know what the CR is on the 99-01 cobra? I want to know if they require premium fuel like yours.
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do you know what the CR is on the 99-01 cobra? I want to know if they require premium fuel like yours.
Yes they require Premium
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9 something im sure
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look at mach1s they may not require premium
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Re: Not impressed with test drive

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thats how they are they dont peak tq till 4k rpms and they are top end motors~ not enough tq down low for me. I would look at a mach 1 or 99-01 cobra before I purchased a 2v 4.6
lol top end motor?

nah id say a 2v 4.6 is just decent all around. its decent down low, and decent up top. coming from a turbo background, its nice to have power without having to wait till youre at 5psi or such before it starts gaining momentum, though unlike that turbo, it lacks the top end i was used to. but as a DD with some bawls thats fun to get sideways, i wouldnt trade it for anything at this point.
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Re: Not impressed with test drive

Well, compared to some of the other V8s, the 4.6 mod motor in 2V form does take a little more RPM to really get in the powerband. My 3V is the same way. It has no where the low-end grunt of the 5.0.
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Raise your hand if you are not aware that Eclipse has a turbo background.


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We know you came from a turbo background
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Re: Not impressed with test drive

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Raise your hand if you are not aware that Eclipse has a turbo background.


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Re: Not impressed with test drive

Thats just the modular motor in general for you. Even the 96-98 cobra guys over on SVT complain about no low end grunt... but they'll rev forever. This is the reason they tend to go with nothing less than a 4.30 gear when they decided its time for a rear end swap. Hell, most of the guys over there with the 4v cobras will have 4.56's. Its just the way they are. 2v is no better. Get a roots style s/c on there, and youll have your low end grunt


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Re: Not impressed with test drive

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Raise your hand if you are not aware that Eclipse has a turbo background.


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haha, nice. ill let you have that one.
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Re: Not impressed with test drive

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Raise your hand if you are not aware that Eclipse has a turbo background.


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Would this be an appropriate time to use "roflcopter"...?
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Would this be an appropriate time to use "roflcopter"...?
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Only if it's followed by a totally inappopriate number of ones and exclamation marks. You also really need to look into "LOLLERSKATES *HUGS*". The gayness of the whole thing would go really well with most of the threads on here. You could even follow it up with a :hippy: or a :cloud: for good measure.
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Re: Not impressed with test drive

well to me the 2v and 3v motors dont have great low end, they are more for 4k+ rpms. Im just used to haveing 400ftlbs of tq at 3k rpms

And I am also used to pushrod 302s and v6s, 302s have great bottom end but run out of steam quick (stock)
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Re: Not impressed with test drive

I haven't found any Mach 1's for sale in my area yet. The GT's i drove were both automatic so maybe that's why they werent that fun. I'm ok with stick but having a sales person in the car makes me nervous... I was hoping 3.55 gears would liven it up since that's what the new mustangs have and I liked the response when I drove them.

what are the long term side effects with blowers? aren't they constantly turning all the accessories faster then normal? I have about a 40 mile commute to school so I don't know if they would affect my mileage if I'm just cruising and not going wot all the time. I've researched a ton on turbos but not so much on sc so if someone could enlighten me, i'd appreciate it.
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they dont turn anything faster, they just put more pressure on the motor to turn the extra gear. I would buy a turbo kit for 4k from andy before I droped 4k on a procharger~

the 05+ gts feel faster due to they have more hp and tq etc etc the gearing doesnt really change that much you cant tell a 3.27 from a 3.31 gear~
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they dont turn anything faster, they just put more pressure on the motor to turn the extra gear. I would buy a turbo kit for 4k from andy before I droped 4k on a procharger~

the 05+ gts feel faster due to they have more hp and tq etc etc the gearing doesnt really change that much you cant tell a 3.27 from a 3.31 gear~
The Ford mustang catalog I have says they have a 3.55 gearing. is it a typo?
In dyno tests the older GT's had more hp in the 2900-4000 range then the 05.
but maybe the magzine was wrong. who knows. I'm not sure if a turbo would get me out of the hole quick enough like I want.
I wish there were guys near me that have some cars I could test out.
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even at 3.55 its not gonna alter it very much at all~ teh 05s ive driven are faster but not a ton faster to me, they seem to run mid a half second quicker~
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I would buy a turbo kit for 4k from andy before I droped 4k on a procharger~
not in cali.
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Yeah, Cali is teh suck when it comes to turbos and emmissions. You can make it work tho...
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yeah if you have a hookup.

sadly, if they actually went by actual emissions produced, most modified vehicles would pass just as good, if not better, than their stock counterparts. we just had a guy pass the other week in his dsm. build motor, 60trim, stage2 ffwd connection head+fp2 cams(272/272), 950cc injectors/255/dsmlink. aside from the turbo, which the compressor side was powdercoated a hammertone color, the engine bay looked stock, pc'ed fmic(black) and pc'ed piping throughout. passed with flying colors. now had the tech known the mods it wouldve been failed instantly. i still dont understand the logic of a visual inspection. if the car passes smog, whats it matter whats under the hood?
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Last I remember the 99-04 GT, the Bullitt GT,the 99 and 01 cobra, and the Mach's were all rated within 5-10 lb of tq of each other and the 4v motors have to wait a little more for their tq to get there due to the powerband. So why would you say drive a Mach if you would like to feel a little more tq???
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yeah if you have a hookup.

sadly, if they actually went by actual emissions produced, most modified vehicles would pass just as good, if not better, than their stock counterparts. we just had a guy pass the other week in his dsm. build motor, 60trim, stage2 ffwd connection head+fp2 cams(272/272), 950cc injectors/255/dsmlink. aside from the turbo, which the compressor side was powdercoated a hammertone color, the engine bay looked stock, pc'ed fmic(black) and pc'ed piping throughout. passed with flying colors. now had the tech known the mods it wouldve been failed instantly. i still dont understand the logic of a visual inspection. if the car passes smog, whats it matter whats under the hood?
Are the emission tests done at idle or while on the throttle?? I would think that on the throttle that guys eclipse has emissions about the same as a carburated cam'd 351.....
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nope, 2500rpm. only the awd guys get lucky and only have to pass the idle sniffer, well, until cali mandates awd/4wd dyno's.

but at 2500rpm, with steady pedal pressure, youre not putting any load on the motor, and its not building boost. even at part load, its not gonna make much of a difference. its not like people with modded cars drive around at WOT all the time anyways. the extra fuel only gets injected in relation to the amount of airflow. at 2500rpm and light load/cruise, youre moving the same amount of air no matter what turbo you have, so youre using the same amount of fuel as you did stock. only thing that increased his airflow under the boost spectrum was his cams, and he had compensated for those by adjusting his airflow per rev sliders, so he was at the same a/f ratio at the same load and same rpm as stock. dsmlink also compensates for larger injector dead times (aka injector lag) so you can run up to a 1600cc injector like it was stock, without the part throttle lagginess that you get from trying to tune with a piggyback.

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the thing I noticed when I test drove an 05 GT was that the power came on very smooth so it has a very refined feel. It is not so harsh so it doesn't feel as fast. I drove a friend's 06 GT with a JLT intake and SCT Xcal2 tune and it has some pretty good pep
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I must say, the 2v 4.6's do seem to pull better up top. May just be the butt dyno though. It seemed dropping into 3rd at 90 and gunning it was alot more fulfilling than punching it in 2nd...
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