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Old 05-10-2010, 09:24 PM   #1
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300 NA horse power a myth?

I've been told by a few people that a bolt on 2v can't reach the 300 rwhp mark without cam and head work. Does this sound right?
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Re: 300 NA horse power a myth?

without those I can see that being true if your excluding power adders.
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That kind of sucks lol...
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Re: 300 NA horse power a myth?

well once you pass the newbie stage and figure out bolt ons for new edge don't really do anything your pissed but once your start learing more **** you know how to get around that lol
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I hope I learn soon it's getting damn expensive!
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Re: 300 NA horse power a myth?

Yeah Ive heard the same thing. But at least you dont have a v6 that cant get 200rwhp without head and cam work
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Re: 300 NA horse power a myth?

^Ain't that the truth, lol. Figure your 2v starts with ~ 220 rwhp based off a rough 15% parasitic loss bone stock. You need another 70-80 rwhp from just bolt ons and a tune...I really don't think it's possible.

Heads and cam work in conjunction with bolt ons will boost your numbers pretty good. Of course after that the power adders come into play.
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Re: 300 NA horse power a myth?

what car that is comparible to a mustang 2V can hit the 300hp mark N/A without head work? anytime you want to make decient part you have to increase air flow
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Re: 300 NA horse power a myth?

or you can buy a new 2011 v6 that is coming with 300 hp stock. not the same as rwhp, but should be a nice starting point for mods...
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Re: 300 NA horse power a myth?

Can't afford a new car payment it would be the GT if I could. I'm hitting the dyno the 28th I'll post what I make.
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Re: 300 NA horse power a myth?

yea you wont make 300rwhp with bolt ons (unless you consider N20 or a power adder a bolt on)
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yea you wont make 300rwhp with bolt ons (unless you consider N20 or a power adder a bolt on)
some do, that's the problem...then there are those who claim a turbonator gives you +10hp lol.
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Re: 300 NA horse power a myth?

What the hell is a turbonator? LOL
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Re: 300 NA horse power a myth?

And don't forget the K&N stickers...that's at least 50.
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Re: 300 NA horse power a myth?

Holy crap how could I have forgotten the stickers eBay here I come! How much rwhp do streetglow under car neon's give it has to be what 250!
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What the hell is a turbonator? LOL


That's it...also called the supercharger turbonator which when said by the owner increases rwhp by 10 instantly




It's basically a plastic piece of crap turbine that sits in your intake piping and creates a "vortex" of air that feeds into the intake and supposedly boosts your hp.

Slightly more believable than the K&N stickers, but not by much, lol.
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Re: 300 NA horse power a myth?

You won't hit 300RWHP N/A on a 5.0 without major engine work, either

What the problem is?
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Re: 300 NA horse power a myth?

No problem just wanted to hit the magic number.
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Re: 300 NA horse power a myth?

its not really a magic number, its like ... wow whats all the hype about once you get there lol same with most power levels
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Re: 300 NA horse power a myth?

I guess it's people saying it's not possible makes me want to try it lol. I will do heads cams and hopefully some sort of forced induction when my warranty expires. Just trying to see what the car is capable of in it's different stages. I'll post my numbers after my new tune, hopefully we all don't get a good laugh Is a Dyno Jet 224 chassis dyno a accurate dyno?
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Re: 300 NA horse power a myth?

Thats the same dyno one of my buddies has at his shop, it seems to be pretty accurate.
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Re: 300 NA horse power a myth?

it all depends on how they setup their dyno, could read high could read low who knows~ dyno jets are not loaded as much as others so it will read higher due to that alone.
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Re: 300 NA horse power a myth?

My WS6 put 300 to the wheels, bone stock.
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Yeah Ive heard the same thing. But at least you dont have a v6 that cant get 200rwhp without head and cam work
Seriously? My 4.0

202 with a CAI and tune

298 with a Procharger and 381 with head and cam work.

The 2V can make 300 to the wheels without a power adder.
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Seriously? My 4.0

202 with a CAI and tune

298 with a Procharger and 381 with head and cam work.

The 2V can make 300 to the wheels without a power adder.
talking about the 3.8 buddy. and you wont see 83hp from heads and cams on a v6 alone. and the 2v cannot make 300rwhp without a new top end or a power adder.
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talking about the 3.8 buddy. and you wont see 83hp from heads and cams on a v6 alone. and the 2v cannot make 300rwhp without a new top end or a power adder.
Well buddy, if you are talking about the 3.8 specifically I can't argue as I have no experience with that motor. 83 HP from heads and cams, yeah I got that.

As far as the 2v, what do you mean about new top end? There are many 2v out there with over 300rwhp without a power adder. I would agree that you would need the PI heads and intake at the least.
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Well buddy, if you are talking about the 3.8 specifically I can't argue as I have no experience with that motor. 83 HP from heads and cams, yeah I got that.

As far as the 2v, what do you mean about new top end? There are many 2v out there with over 300rwhp without a power adder. I would agree that you would need the PI heads and intake at the least.
So youre saying 83 rwhp on a 4.0 with just ported heads and cams? Thats complete bull****.

By top end, I mean new cams, either ported or aftermarket heads, and intakes. Even with the PI heads and intakes 300rwhp is not possible without a power adder or top end work. So your second claim is bull**** as well.

Not trying to be a dick, but you can't prove either of those claims. It's just not possible. Hell, you can't even gain 83rwhp with heads and cams on the 2v v8 so it definately isnt possible on the v6.
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Re: 300 NA horse power a myth?

Here is the SAD but true outcome of my quest for 300 rwhp.
First tune 26K on factory engine 256.62 rwhp & 301.22 ft-lbs
Mods BBK ceramic shorty headers, BBK off road X pipe, Flowmaster cat back, BBK aluminum pulleys, K&N intake, AM Intake spacer, SCT 93 octane tune

Second tune 1,500 miles on Jasper long block 246.80 rwhp & 267.23 ft-lbs
-9.82 rwhp and a whopping -33.99 ft-lbs
New mods 75mm throttle body, intake plenum, Professional Products Typhoon intake manifold, Steeda pulleys, Granatelli 60K coils, Aluminum flywheel, Aluminum drive shaft.


The dyno shop told me the Typhoon intake is what the problem is. But how in the hell could I loose all this power with all my new mods? I guess bolt on mods aren't worth a damn at all! Don't waste your money like I did if you want more power run a supercharger or turbo set up.
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Here is the SAD but true outcome of my quest for 300 rwhp.
First tune 26K on factory engine 256.62 rwhp & 301.22 ft-lbs
Mods BBK ceramic shorty headers, BBK off road X pipe, Flowmaster cat back, BBK aluminum pulleys, K&N intake, AM Intake spacer, SCT 93 octane tune

Second tune 1,500 miles on Jasper long block 246.80 rwhp & 267.23 ft-lbs
-9.82 rwhp and a whopping -33.99 ft-lbs
New mods 75mm throttle body, intake plenum, Professional Products Typhoon intake manifold, Steeda pulleys, Granatelli 60K coils, Aluminum flywheel, Aluminum drive shaft.


The dyno shop told me the Typhoon intake is what the problem is. But how in the hell could I loose all this power with all my new mods? I guess bolt on mods aren't worth a damn at all! Don't waste your money like I did if you want more power run a supercharger or turbo set up.

Something definately doesnt sound right. I mean you might not gain hp on a bolt on car with the new intake, but there is no way you should lose any. what were the conditions? air temp? time for car to cool off before dyno run?
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It was about 20 degrees warmer out but I wouldn't think a loss like I got would come from temp alone. My car was still in the normal operating temp when they put it on the dyno. When the guy opened my hood and said oh no I new I was in for it. LOL
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So youre saying 83 rwhp on a 4.0 with just ported heads and cams? Thats complete bull****.

By top end, I mean new cams, either ported or aftermarket heads, and intakes. Even with the PI heads and intakes 300rwhp is not possible without a power adder or top end work. So your second claim is bull**** as well.

Not trying to be a dick, but you can't prove either of those claims. It's just not possible. Hell, you can't even gain 83rwhp with heads and cams on the 2v v8 so it definately isnt possible on the v6.
What do you want, dyno sheets from Excessive? Witnesses? 50 or so to my 13.6 runs N/A? Do you need Mike Bowen from Powerhouse to join in, he did the heads and cams.
What will it take to shut you down?
How about this? V6’s Can Race Too! 4.0L Mustang Runs 13’s N/A - Dragzine.com

How much power to the wheels does it take to run 13.6 and as much as 99 mph in full body street car. I'm afraid you're the one full of **** since you obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about.
300 HP N/A on a 2v without a power adder is certainly attainable, maybe you would like to tell Sean Hyland he is full of **** also.

Maybe this will help - http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/e...vesprings.html
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Where's my buddy?
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What do you want, dyno sheets from Excessive? Witnesses? 50 or so to my 13.6 runs N/A? Do you need Mike Bowen from Powerhouse to join in, he did the heads and cams.
What will it take to shut you down?
How about this? V6’s Can Race Too! 4.0L Mustang Runs 13’s N/A - Dragzine.com

How much power to the wheels does it take to run 13.6 and as much as 99 mph in full body street car. I'm afraid you're the one full of **** since you obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about.
300 HP N/A on a 2v without a power adder is certainly attainable, maybe you would like to tell Sean Hyland he is full of **** also.

Maybe this will help - Comp Cams Valvesprings - Junkyard Jewel Ford 4.6l 2v - Engine Build Up - Hot Rod Magazine
I want to see dyno sheets of an 80hp gain from heads and cams ALONE. and that gt has ported heads you dumb****.
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I ran a 13.64 @ 101 with a ground pounding 246 rwhp.
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I ran a 13.64 @ 101 with a ground pounding 246 rwhp.
so basically youre agreeing with me. that guy above is a dumb****. 83rwhp with heads and cams on a v6. im not even sure that is possible on a 4v.
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