Creating Mod list for GT...Vote now

[PureVenom]

With the mods for the cobra starting to wind down, I have started working on the mod list for the 02 GT sitting at the house. One thing I am stuck on, is do I want to go Natural...or not so Natural.

Here are my thoughts....

1. Shoot for a 400 rwhp NA car
2. Shoot for a 400+ rwhp supercharged car

Keep in mind, this is an automatic 02 GT.

For the record, here are some of my initial thoughts:

4.10 Gears
Trans Cooler
Shift Kit
VT Fully Forged GT Shortblock
VT Stage 2 ported heads
Stage 3 NA or Blown Cams
Trickflow Upper Intake and plenum (depending on SC choice)
Bassani Midlength headers
Bassani 5 Piece modular X-Pipe with o/r flow tubes and cats
Probably stick with the current magnaflow catback.

My thoughts as far as SC's go are to either go procharged...or get the 2.xL kenny bell with intercooler. Obviously, if I get that, I don't need the trickflow stuff.

I also have some styling/fuel/suspension/etc mods...the standard stuff.

[rydog]

You know im gonna say go turbo

[PureVenom]

Originally Posted by rydog

You know im gonna say go turbo

Which can only mean I am going to say I thoroughly despise turbos and have no desire to ever install one on a car of mine.

[MarkuzLS1]

Build a nitrous car.

[rydog]

Originally Posted by PureVenom

Which can only mean I am going to say I thoroughly despise turbos

[PureVenom]

Originally Posted by MarkuzLS1

Build a nitrous car.

I am contemplating that as well if I stay NA.

Originally Posted by rydog

Yup...that is about the response I usually get when people talk turbos with me....that along with or 2:

[bluemustang]

Originally Posted by MarkuzLS1

Build a nitrous car.

Im with him, nothing better then a 400 rwhp car with a little trick up its sleeve for sure

[Thomas91169]

lol its gonna cost half the bluebook amount of the cobra to mod the GT with VT stuff alone!

but if you really must mod the gt, id go n/a. get the VT stuff, get the 5.0mod stroker whatever its called, make around 350 to the wheels with that setup and then a 150 wet shot when needed.

though i wouldnt mod the GT at all if it were me, just gears+tranny stuff, nice exhaust, done. dont have to worry about **** breaking, have a nice fun DD.

[JROC]

A S/C would give you a good increase in power while still keeping the cars excellent drivability. Your not going to make a lot of N/A power from a Modular motor without some deep pockets. :dunno:

[PureVenom]

Originally Posted by Thomas91169

lol its gonna cost half the bluebook amount of the cobra to mod the GT with VT stuff alone!

but if you really must mod the gt, id go n/a. get the VT stuff, get the 5.0mod stroker whatever its called, make around 350 to the wheels with that setup and then a 150 wet shot when needed.

though i wouldnt mod the GT at all if it were me, just gears+tranny stuff, nice exhaust, done. dont have to worry about **** breaking, have a nice fun DD.

5.0 stroke on a 4.6 is a massive stroke...nearly pulls the piston out of the block at bottom dead center...was going to do that in the cobra until I saw pics of the stroke...yeah...not a good idea for longevity.

It will either be VT or Boss330 ... but, 330 has a pretty good waiting list...VT is 2 weeks...so...we will see.

[Thomas91169]

Originally Posted by PureVenom

5.0 stroke on a 4.6 is a massive stroke...nearly pulls the piston out of the block at bottom dead center...was going to do that in the cobra until I saw pics of the stroke...yeah...not a good idea for longevity.

yeah same with the 2.4l strokers for a dsm, which is why they dont rev them to 7k+ like a 2.0, most guys use them with a smaller ball bearing turbo for quick spool for autoX or RoadRacing.

[Herbstang]

go for the juice !!

[maximus]

i was told 4.10's would be a bit much for a sc/tc car. would 3.73 be a little better for ya?

[PureVenom]

Originally Posted by maximus

i was told 4.10's would be a bit much for a sc/tc car. would 3.73 be a little better for ya?

It would depend on the SC. If I go KB, then yes, if I go centri style with the procharger, no...it will give me that umph to get up to full boost RPM.

[Thomas91169]

Originally Posted by maximus

i was told 4.10's would be a bit much for a sc/tc car. would 3.73 be a little better for ya?

plus hes on a automatic, 4.1's are pretty much standard for any automatic setup.

[bullitt482]

Turbo it. Put rods and pistons in it, a good crank, build 4R70W, 31 spline axles, 3.73's, 31 Spline limited slip out of an F150 with carbon clutches, Hellion power systems turbo setup, Trickflow intake, turbo specific cams, FRPP aluminum drive shaft, weld up the torque boxes, UPR upper and lowers, antiroll bar, 2800 stall and/or transbrake, UEGO wideband, autometer gauges, the obvious dynotune, Weld 15 x 8 Prostar I or II's, 275/50 15 MT ET street DR's, and something up front, or if its a street car go with some 17 x 10.5 and some BFG or other like DR and like 17's on the front, aeromotive fuel rails, 42 or 50 pound injectors, supporting fuel system, like twin focus pumps, or kennebell BAP, hmm.... what else. Oh, maybe some patriot heads. If you want to be double sure, find a good short block, DSS, Keith Black, etc.

[Thomas91169]

he hates turbos...........

plus doing all that to the GT it wouldnt be fair to the Termie.

[bullitt482]

[PureVenom]

Originally Posted by Thomas91169

he hates turbos...........

plus doing all that to the GT it wouldnt be fair to the Termie.

The termie will have a whipple @ 21 psi before any major work to the GT. Turbo or not it would touch it.

[Thomas91169]

im pretty sure a built GT with a turbo at that same amount of boost is going to make the termie look bad. the only thing that would work against such a setup would be the auto, especially in a freeway run.

[Cajun JungleBoy]

convert to a mach1 then procharge it... like the dude in Modified mustangs... auto mach1 with 780 hp

[PureVenom]

Originally Posted by Thomas91169

im pretty sure a built GT with a turbo at that same amount of boost is going to make the termie look bad. the only thing that would work against such a setup would be the auto, especially in a freeway run.

Then again, you are talking a 2 valve vs a 4 valve...and auto vs a manual...and insta boost vs lagged boost....

a 21 psi twin screw termi @ 650ish rwhp is going to take a well turbo'ed gt to make it look bad.

[bbunt302]

Originally Posted by PureVenom

Then again, you are talking a 2 valve vs a 4 valve...and auto vs a manual...and insta boost vs lagged boost....

a 21 psi twin screw termi @ 650ish rwhp is going to take a well turbo'ed gt to make it look bad.

My money's on the turbo GT. #1) It would weigh about 300 lbs. less. #2) If you built the automatic properly, it would run circles around a manual tranny at those power levels. #3) Terminators suck.

:pnoid:

[PureVenom]

Originally Posted by bbunt302

My money's on the turbo GT. #1) It would weigh about 300 lbs. less. #2) If you built the automatic properly, it would run circles around a manual tranny at those power levels. #3) Terminators suck.

:pnoid:

Yup...they suck...just as much as turbos do.

[Thomas91169]

Originally Posted by PureVenom

Then again, you are talking a 2 valve vs a 4 valve...and auto vs a manual...and insta boost vs lagged boost....

a 21 psi twin screw termi @ 650ish rwhp is going to take a well turbo'ed gt to make it look bad.

yeah but IMO "Built" means forged bottom end and worked over heads, IE making 2v heads flow equal if not a little better than youre run of the mill 4v.

a properly sized turbo will NOT have as much lag as you think, certainly not enough to be at a disadvantage. these arent the turbos of yesterday, order a turbo to suit your setup, not your dreams, and you wont have to wait for boost. i WANT a gt35r for my GSX, but it wouldnt be the most efficient turbo for my likely setup. plus a properly sized turbo(s) will flow more air at the same 21psi as the KB. airflow makes power, not pressure.

i dont mean to squash your dreams but a built bottom end/built top end GT with a worked auto and a turbo setup, like Bunt said (wow im actually agreeing with him), will run circles around a KB Termie. if the GT motor is built right, its going to handle more than the Termie 4.6 can. i mean hell, there was a video if i recall on SF with a turbo termie with a hellion setup versus a kb setup and the turbo'd one just took off, and he was running around 14psi versus 16 on the kb. both were making almost 600 to the wheels. the KB got the jump but the turbo cobra just pulled the entirety of its rpm range.

[PureVenom]

Originally Posted by Thomas91169

yeah but IMO "Built" means forged bottom end and worked over heads, IE making 2v heads flow equal if not a little better than youre run of the mill 4v.

a properly sized turbo will NOT have as much lag as you think, certainly not enough to be at a disadvantage. these arent the turbos of yesterday, order a turbo to suit your setup, not your dreams, and you wont have to wait for boost. i WANT a gt35r for my GSX, but it wouldnt be the most efficient turbo for my likely setup. plus a properly sized turbo(s) will flow more air at the same 21psi as the KB. airflow makes power, not pressure.

i dont mean to squash your dreams but a built bottom end/built top end GT with a worked auto and a turbo setup, like Bunt said (wow im actually agreeing with him), will run circles around a KB Termie. if the GT motor is built right, its going to handle more than the Termie 4.6 can. i mean hell, there was a video if i recall on SF with a turbo termie with a hellion setup versus a kb setup and the turbo'd one just took off, and he was running around 14psi versus 16 on the kb. both were making almost 600 to the wheels. the KB got the jump but the turbo cobra just pulled the entirety of its rpm range.

I certainly enjoy listening to all the turbo leg humpers come into all my power adder threads trying to build the turbo to be so great.

Sure, they are more efficient. But...They sound like ***. Cost too much. And just overall suck in my book.

However, since I did not post my car's list up here, I will not hold it against you for thinking my car is remaining a stock termie 4.6 with stock heads etc....you couldn't have known without me telling you. None the less, it will take a good bit of boost for the built GT to keep up with the built termie when they are both done.

So...Let the "run a turbo" comments keep coming...they are an enjoyment of mine. However, a turbo will not make an appearance any any car of mine because I think they suck donkey dick. :beer:

[Thomas91169]

you are indeed a disturbed individual............

[PureVenom]

Originally Posted by Thomas91169

you are indeed a disturbed individual............

:yup:

[04SonicBlueStng]

Sorry to all turbo lovers but im with pure venom.
I was lookin into turbos but that do sound like a$$. How can you beat a nice built Blower. KB by chance sounds awesome listening to them scream when you hit it and feeling them throw you back in the car. I will go KB when i can afford one.
Like Venoms sayin i do not think a 400hp NA car will have any problem what so ever towards a 400hp superchared car.

[bbunt302]

Blah blah blah. I like superchargers blah blah blah. Turbos are better but I still like superchargers blah blah blah. Blah blah blah.

[JROC]

A turbocharged GT with a built motor and supporting mods will probably out run a Whippled Cobra, but on a street car or car built to run fast on a road coarse I would gladly give up some topend pull for the extremely broad, flat torque that a Roots style blower produces. If I was going to built a car for Drag racing or to compete with Supra's on the interstate then I would rather have a Turbocharged car.

[Thomas91169]

Originally Posted by 04SonicBlueStng

Sorry to all turbo lovers but im with pure venom.
I was lookin into turbos but that do sound like a$$. How can you beat a nice built Blower. KB by chance sounds awesome listening to them scream when you hit it and feeling them throw you back in the car. I will go KB when i can afford one.

so youre basing performance on how something sounds? if that isnt ricer talk, i dont know what is.

you want to feel whiplash, then you should look into a turbo. IMO My 03 Cobra was far unlike any turbo car ive ever been in, it was no initial whiplash, power came on very smooth and linearly. however my 16g equipped GST it was just *whiplash sound* once it spiked from 0 to 20psi in about two seconds and just ripped to the redline. not as fast as the cobra by far, but the power feel is huge.

Originally Posted by JROC

A turbocharged GT with a built motor and supporting mods will probably out run a Whippled Cobra, but on a street car or car built to run fast on a road coarse I would gladly give up some topend pull for the extremely broad, flat torque that a Roots style blower produces. If I was going to built a car for Drag racing or to compete with Supra's on the interstate then I would rather have a Turbocharged car.

werd. i agree, if i want a daily driver or a streetcar with balls, a blower would be your best bet. its hard to zip through traffic when youre constantly second guessing if youre going to have boost or not, whereas when you know you have the power you need on demand, you can be more confident. maybe thats why i get more speeding tickets in the GT (2 so far) than i got in the GST (whopping 0)

but yeah, your method of induction should be based on your setup and what the setup will be used for.

[04SonicBlueStng]

Man gettin a little hot about it are ya? I was just basing my opinion on what i have drove. No need to start callin people out and tryin you best to make them feel ****ty. Bottom line i hate a turbo on any car. But what do i know i speak ricer.....Just so you know i hate anything other than domestics and wouldnt drive a import if it was givin to me.

[bluemustang]

Originally Posted by 04SonicBlueStng

Sorry to all turbo lovers but im with pure venom.
I was lookin into turbos but that do sound like a$$. How can you beat a nice built Blower. KB by chance sounds awesome listening to them scream when you hit it and feeling them throw you back in the car. I will go KB when i can afford one.
Like Venoms sayin i do not think a 400hp NA car will have any problem what so ever towards a 400hp superchared car.

Good to know you base a whole setup on sound

[PureVenom]

Originally Posted by Thomas91169

you want to feel whiplash, then you should look into a turbo. IMO My 03 Cobra was far unlike any turbo car ive ever been in, it was no initial whiplash, power came on very smooth and linearly. however my 16g equipped GST it was just *whiplash sound* once it spiked from 0 to 20psi in about two seconds and just ripped to the redline. not as fast as the cobra by far, but the power feel is huge.

Um...then you never drove yours properly. When my goes from 0-15 psi instantly, anyone in the car gets whiplash. There is not 2 second delay to build and hit max boost....it is instant.

As for basing it on sound...well...I will be the first to say I am basing it on sound because if I wanted to sound like ****, I would buy a POS rice rocket. However, I don't want to sound like an airplane going down the road...which is most of the reason why I didn't buy an airplane as my DD...so I will not go turbo in anything no matter how efficient they are.