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Old 10-20-2010, 04:56 PM   #1
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$630 Labor cost?!?!

I'm getting 3.73's and underdrive pulleys. So I went to the Ford dealership and asked them about doing it for me. And they told me it would cost $630 to install both parts. I say screw that, because I can buy the parts and tools and do it myself for less than their labor costs.

Is this hard to do? I know the UDP's are pretty simple(other than bolts being "torque to yield"), but what about the gears?
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sounds about right.. gears are expensive to install.
id suggest gettin a pro to install gears unless you know what your doin
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sounds about right.. gears are expensive to install.
id suggest gettin a pro to install gears unless you know what your doin
I guess it's time for trial and error. Call me crazy, but I refuse to pay twice what I pay for the part to have it installed. Plus that's a dealership, so their costs are high by default.
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I guess it's time for trial and error. Call me crazy, but I refuse to pay twice what I pay for the part to have it installed. Plus that's a dealership, so their costs are high by default.
If you do trial and error on your rear end it WILL fail. A good shop will have special gauges to measure back lash and pinion depth. Obviously if you have to ask if it's difficult then you don' t know what's involved.

This coming from the guy that can fab his own intercooler piping, exhaust piping and tune his own ECU for forced induction.

So in your other thread you are gonna build your motor or buy a cobra motor or something for a supercharged turbo motor. Do you have any idea what a shop would charge you to change internals?

ANd you are crying about 630 for a diff and pulleys.

Don't be afraid of the search feature and some homework friend.

6 hours for a diff and 2 hours for pulleys. 8 hours total at 80 bucks an hour from the stealership is 640 bucks.....Sounds right on to me.

Good luck on the supercharged turbo stang with a cockimimi rear end.
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If you do trial and error on your rear end it WILL fail. A good shop will have special gauges to measure back lash and pinion depth. Obviously if you have to ask if it's difficult then you don' t know what's involved.

This coming from the guy that can fab his own intercooler piping, exhaust piping and tune his own ECU for forced induction.

So in your other thread you are gonna build your motor or buy a cobra motor or something for a supercharged turbo motor. Do you have any idea what a shop would charge you to change internals?

ANd you are crying about 630 for a diff and pulleys.

Don't be afraid of the search feature and some homework friend.

6 hours for a diff and 2 hours for pulleys. 8 hours total at 80 bucks an hour from the stealership is 640 bucks.....Sounds right on to me.

Good luck on the supercharged turbo stang with a cockimimi rear end.
You are very condescending.
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Re: $630 Labor cost?!?!

I think it would be easier to change the whole rearend, I'm sure you can find one on craigslist pretty cheap and install yourself.
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Or I could get my uncle to let me use his shop next time I go back home to Alabama. He's been a mechanic for over 30 years.
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Bro its the dealership of course 630 is just about right for them go to a trusted mechanic if you have one i wouldn't try it myself, personally.
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The stealer ship costs what it cost for a reason......If you want to try your luck then take it to Joe bunkey mechanic down the street for 350 and see what happens....It might work out, it might not haha give it a whirl bro.

Maybe he will reuse the crush washer when he is tring to set the pinion pre load among other things. See what kind of deal you can find, it might be worth it.
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I'd say that's about right. Labor is usually about 90-95 per hour at most Dealers here. I would not install gears myself. I've heard the horror stories from people that have tried.
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I'd highly recommend shopping around some...and having gears professionally installed. This coming from someone who rebuilt their own T56 and did all the engine mods in the garage...

I will also recommend getting a written warranty to cover any abnormal wear and noise. An improperly installed set of gears will cause you much more problems than you think.
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Thank you lowflyn. You answered a question in a professional manner
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gears are not something to skimp on, taking them to a good place that knows what they are doing will save you money down the road, most places dont really know how to do it so it seems.
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Thank you lowflyn. You answered a question in a professional manner
I agree with how lowflyn said it, well said.

Nate, I've searched M.E. threads past and present about gears, and overwhelmingly everyone says the same thing...get it done at a place where they know what they are doing because doing it yourself (unless you are a pro at it) is more hassle than you need.
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If you do trial and error on your rear end it WILL fail. A good shop will have special gauges to measure back lash and pinion depth. Obviously if you have to ask if it's difficult then you don' t know what's involved.

This coming from the guy that can fab his own intercooler piping, exhaust piping and tune his own ECU for forced induction.

So in your other thread you are gonna build your motor or buy a cobra motor or something for a supercharged turbo motor. Do you have any idea what a shop would charge you to change internals?

ANd you are crying about 630 for a diff and pulleys.

Don't be afraid of the search feature and some homework friend.

6 hours for a diff and 2 hours for pulleys. 8 hours total at 80 bucks an hour from the stealership is 640 bucks.....Sounds right on to me.

Good luck on the supercharged turbo stang with a cockimimi rear end.
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The stealer ship costs what it cost for a reason......If you want to try your luck then take it to Joe bunkey mechanic down the street for 350 and see what happens....It might work out, it might not haha give it a whirl bro.

Maybe he will reuse the crush washer when he is tring to set the pinion pre load among other things. See what kind of deal you can find, it might be worth it.
Chill out dude. You have 44 post. Don't think your going to take my job as the condenscending nut job around here. $630 is an expensive install when you have true enthusiast and mechanics around for a lot less. Granted it is the dealership, trust me I know I am a service advisor, but someone with a background tuniing and working on these cars in a performance perspective will more than likely be able to help you out a helluva lot better. Our techs aren't always the best.

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I'd highly recommend shopping around some...and having gears professionally installed. This coming from someone who rebuilt their own T56 and did all the engine mods in the garage...

I will also recommend getting a written warranty to cover any abnormal wear and noise. An improperly installed set of gears will cause you much more problems than you think.
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Also, with a helping hand who has experience in this, you can surely acheive this work yourself. Too many people are afraid of this job when honestly it's not at all 'THAT' difficult. Take your time and be sure to have an indepth accurate R&R article available for reference especially in backlash, depth, runout.
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ask the local mustang groups who they use, if you keep hearing the same name pop up look into them
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sounds high but I'd rather have the stealership install it then some back-woods mechanic do it. The one doing it must be certified, not just any blo-joe at the dealership can "volunteer" to try it. JMO
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If it was me I would start talking to people that know what they are doing with rear ends and gears. Hopely get some free advise or help. UDP can take alot of time to install but will be alot easier than the gears. I would try that instead of paying the labor.
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Yah there are writeups online for udp's you can find. However, I personally believe gears should be left to the professionals...either a certified mechanic from the dealership or a mustang specific custom shop that is reputable and has plenty of experience installing gears. Ask them about setting backlash, shimming, pinion bearings, etc. If they can give you some educated answers then you're are off to a good start. If a shop beats around the bush, I'd leave and never go back.

As said, be sure to have a written warranty made up stating that any whining or issues immediately afterward will be fixed by them.

That's my opinion...there are guys who have done it in their garage and have made extensive writeups on it...it is possible, but it is very sophisticated and takes lots of attention to detail. Let us know what you decide...we will help out as best we can
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