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Old 06-21-2011, 11:32 PM   #36
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Cheap, Fast, Reliable.

Pick two. Our unfortunate reality.
He's right.....

You need an aftermarket heat exchanger more than the 03/04 guys. You have higher compression, and your shortblock is less stout. You need all the cooling you can get.

A good one is a couple hundred bucks. Do it.

And like he said.....you can only pick two.

My advice would be to take the extra couple months to save the cash to do it right. You'll be glad you did

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Cheap, Fast, Reliable.

Pick two. Our unfortunate reality.
Cheap and reliable. With as much fast as safely possible. I'm getting the set up for free. What power can I make with it as is. In a year or two I plan on lowering the compression and getting forged rods and pistons. So I just need to get it running now and have a little fun while I can.
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He's right.....

You need an aftermarket heat exchanger more than the 03/04 guys. You have higher compression, and your shortblock is less stout. You need all the cooling you can get.

A good one is a couple hundred bucks. Do it.

And like he said.....you can only pick two.

My advice would be to take the extra couple months to save the cash to do it right. You'll be glad you did

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Well I don't have a few more months. The guy is needing my intake in one month. That's when we are trading. If I'm not ready he is going to find someone else and I'm going to loose this opportunity...
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330 is OE rated at the crank.....not RWHP. Your car with 350 RWHP would have him covered easily

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My last dyne report was at 307 rwhp if you subtract 20% for loss at 330 it'll be like 284 or some oddness so I'll keep up with him I think but in higher gears because I have 3.90 gears and he's at 3.73 he will slowly pull away + top end weight ratio will start to kick in against force of gravity. Thats why I'd like to get above 400 so he doesn't just add two things and keep up with me.
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Cheap and reliable. With as much fast as safely possible. I'm getting the set up for free. What power can I make with it as is. In a year or two I plan on lowering the compression and getting forged rods and pistons. So I just need to get it running now and have a little fun while I can.

You will be fine. You don't seem like the kind of guy that lives at the track anyways. Do what K.F. Mohawk says, or as much as possible at enjoy the car. A good tune is key for safety. Keep the AFR in the 11.2-11.4 range and moderate 15* (or so) timing. The heat exchanger is a must though.

At least you are getting this stuff for free because when you build your shortblock the eaton will be useless to you, unless you add some giggle juice with it, which I personally don't like on a manual car.
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You will be fine. You don't seem like the kind of guy that lives at the track anyways. Do what K.F. Mohawk says, or as much as possible at enjoy the car. A good tune is key for safety. Keep the AFR in the 11.2-11.4 range and moderate 15* (or so) timing. The heat exchanger is a must though.

At least you are getting this stuff for free because when you build your shortblock the eaton will be useless to you, unless you add some giggle juice with it, which I personally don't like on a manual car.
Can I not pulley the eaton and get a lot more out of it? And I hit the track once every three or four months... I'll start searching for a heat exchanger. Also need to get a afr gauge...
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Well I don't have a few more months. The guy is needing my intake in one month. That's when we are trading. If I'm not ready he is going to find someone else and I'm going to loose this opportunity...

I've seen many people (myself included) rush mods due to lack of time or funds....and I've never seen it turn out well.

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My last dyne report was at 307 rwhp if you subtract 20% for loss at 330 it'll be like 284 or some oddness so I'll keep up with him I think but in higher gears because I have 3.90 gears and he's at 3.73 he will slowly pull away + top end weight ratio will start to kick in against force of gravity. Thats why I'd like to get above 400 so he doesn't just add two things and keep up with me.
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I've seen many people (myself included) rush mods due to lack of time or funds....and I've never seen it turn out well.

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Can I not pulley the eaton and get a lot more out of it? And I hit the track once every three or four months... I'll start searching for a heat exchanger. Also need to get a afr gauge...
Changing the pulley increases the boost....

but it also increases the blower RPM's and heat.

If you're in a hurry and on a budget, I would advise you to put the stock pulley on for now......and put a larger pulley on when you can afford a better heat exchanger.

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Can I not pulley the eaton and get a lot more out of it? And I hit the track once every three or four months... I'll start searching for a heat exchanger. Also need to get a afr gauge...
AFR gauge isn't required if you're not tuning the car.....the tuner should have one. Spend that $200 on something more useful.

What are you doing for fuel mods?

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I've seen many people (myself included) rush mods due to lack of time or funds....and I've never seen it turn out well.

Nitrous

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It's rushed but I'm not going to go crazy with it. I'll make what ever power is safe to make. If I only make 400 then that's fine. I'll just be glad to have a free supercharger. Now if I can't get a heat exchanger then I'll just save up and change them when I can afford one. But I really want this charger. I've always wanted one. But I'm just broke lol
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Changing the pulley increases the boost....

but it also increases the blower RPM's and heat.

If you're in a hurry and on a budget, I would advise you to put the stock pulley on for now......and put a larger pulley on when you can afford a better heat exchanger.

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No I was talking about pullying it once I built the lower end in a year or two.
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AFR gauge isn't required if you're not tuning the car.....the tuner should have one. Spend that $200 on something more useful.

What are you doing for fuel mods?

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All the 04 cobra stuff lol. 04 cobra pump. 04 cobra injectors. I can solder new connections for the injectors I'd I have too
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03/04 Cobras have a different fuel system than your car. They have a returnless system, you have a return style system.

You could pretty easily go with a 2.9 or 3.0 pulley safely, when you get a heat exchanger, on your stock short block. I know a guy with a Eaton swapped Mach (basically same shortblock), and he has that setup right now...

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03/04 Cobras have a different fuel system than your car. They have a returnless system, you have a return style system.

You could pretty easily go with a 2.9 or 3.0 pulley safely, when you get a heat exchanger, on your stock short block. I know a guy with a Eaton swapped Mach (basically same shortblock), and he has that setup right now...

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I was gonna leave the factory pulley on it for now. And I know the fuel system is different but I can still use an 04 pump with mine right?
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I was gonna leave the factory pulley on it for now. And I know the fuel system is different but I can still use an 04 pump with mine right?
They have dual pumps....

I'd say go with a 255 HP Walbro in tank. That should be sufficient, and they're only like $100. Then you wouldn't have to swap out your tank, lines, etc...

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They have dual pumps....

I'd say go with a 255 HP Walbro in tank. That should be sufficient, and they're only like $100. Then you wouldn't have to swap out your tank, lines, etc...

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Ok will do. Any other things you can think about? Also remember it his 100+ on a regular basis here in tx
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Get a lower temp thermostat and make sure your tuner turns your fans on earlier than OE settings. May also want to looking into the head cooling cross over mod, research it on SVTP

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Re: I wanna go FAST!

1. Where can I get ported PI heads and what is the cost compared to aftermarkets like trickflow?

2. My starting parts list is looking somewhere along the lines of
-70 mm TB and plenum
-Heads (Aftermarket or Ported PIs)
-Cams
-Headers
-42 lb injectors

3. Will my stock internals and block handle this plus a blower running around 9psi?

Any other suggestions??
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OK i answered 1 on my own. I found the ported PI heads from Patriot Performance. From what i have seen the Stage 2s look like my best bet.
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1. Where can I get ported PI heads and what is the cost compared to aftermarkets like trickflow?

Livernois, Patriot, Steen (if they're still around), multiple others..... They'll easily support what you want to do, for less $$$ than Trick Flows.

2. My starting parts list is looking somewhere along the lines of
-70 mm TB and plenum
-Heads (Aftermarket or Ported PIs)
-Cams
-Headers
-42 lb injectors

3. Will my stock internals and block handle this plus a blower running around 9psi?

It all depends on the blower (size=volume) and the tune. Even with a good blower, it should probably handle it with a very conservative tune. If you want to do those mods + a blower and make real use of it, you'll need a built shortblock. A supercharger, headers/exhaust, TB/Plenum, fuel mods, and a tune can max out your stock rotating assembly......much less with heads/cams.

Any other suggestions??
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So in your opinion would i be better off to just forget the heads and cams and just go straight for a blower now? Keep in mind my goal is around 500 hp.

Another question... if i do fuel, exhaust, headers, intake and plenum upgrades along with heads and cams (No SC) what kind of numbers could i see?

And after reading through you talking to Bone...would i need to look into a new heat exchanger as well?
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So in your opinion would i be better off to just forget the heads and cams and just go straight for a blower now? Keep in mind my goal is around 500 hp.

Another question... if i do fuel, exhaust, headers, intake and plenum upgrades along with heads and cams (No SC) what kind of numbers could i see?

And after reading through you talking to Bone...would i need to look into a new heat exchanger as well?
If your goal is 500 HP, you're going to need at least a budget built short block.

Yes, stock heads and cams with a supercharger could net you 500 HP, especially with full supporting mods.

If you do full bolt ons, heads, and cams....you'd probably make 380ish RWHP with an upgraded intake manifold.

You would be better off with an upgraded heat exchanger if you went with an 03/04 Cobra blower. If you went with a centrifugal, that does not apply

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I believe ive come to the conclusion that I'm just going to go with headers, exhaust, 36 lb injectors, 255 LPH fuel pump, 75 mm TB and plenum, Intake, and a supercharger. I've seen several of these set ups online and each make between 450 and 520 rwhp depending on tune and boost
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I believe ive come to the conclusion that I'm just going to go with headers, exhaust, 36 lb injectors, 255 LPH fuel pump, 75 mm TB and plenum, Intake, and a supercharger. I've seen several of these set ups online and each make between 450 and 520 rwhp depending on tune and boost
450+ is going to be pushing it on a stock shortblock

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with the proper tune and the right amount of boost 450 wont be any issue
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with the proper tune and the right amount of boost 450 wont be any issue



A proper tune will only save your pistons. 450+ and you will throw a rod right out the side of the block if it ever sees boost much. Also, the psi will not affect how long your engine will last.
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