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Old 06-21-2011, 08:45 AM   #1
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I wanna go FAST!

Within the next year and a half or so my GT will no longer be my DD. I will be starting into alot of engine work and I want some opinions. I am looking to either build up my 2V or swapping out for a 4V. If I keep my 2V I am looking at Heads, Cams, and maybe supercharger, etc. But what would you guys suggest. Should i save my money now and do a swap later or go ahead and start putting parts into my 2V piece by piece?
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Re: I wanna go FAST!

well the final result needs to be thought of now in a realistic manor. Some say "twin turbo 1500rwhp!" when not actually thinking how horrible that would be as a street car/daily driver.... so you should decide what you really want out of the car and the best way to go about it.

I think for a street car 400-500rwhp is about the limit~ any more and its for bragging rights honestly... at least on a 3500lb~ Mustang.

The 4v 03/04 cobra motor is easy to get there, no building needed, but... its HEAVY so thats a down side etc, little things like that.

What is your budget, you dont want the car to be down for 4 years and such~
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Re: I wanna go FAST!

As far as a budget i really dont have one. Just looking at the cheapest and most cost effective way to get up to about 500 rwhp. I agree, any more than that is just too much to drive around alot
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As far as a budget i really dont have one. Just looking at the cheapest and most cost effective way to get up to about 500 rwhp. I agree, any more than that is just too much to drive around alot
Keep in mind the 03/04 Cobra engine is forged...I believe that is the only 4v that is. I think the Machs and N/A Cobras aren't, if I'm wrong do correct me.

I personally would feel much better with forged guts under the hood, especially going FI shooting for a higher hp goal.

I've seen complete 03/04 Cobra engine/transmission/wiring/ecu for sale for ~10k.

You might be able to build and force induce your 2v for that money. I'm not 100% sure on the options/pricing out there for 2v's these days.

I know a lot of guys have built up their 2v's and made some good numbers.

Hopefully some people with some experience with 2v's will chime in.
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Forged 4V with a blower. To much money to get that 2V where you want it and stay safe.
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The 03/04 Machs are forged as well. But like you I hope someone with more knowledge on 2Vs will put in some input
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The major issue with the 2v is the fact that the internals aren forged. You really can't go much further the bolt ins without risking a catastrophic failure without regutting it. It cost alot to get good numbers out of a 2v but Fir the cost of the cobra motor you can do cams, heads, pistons, rods, crank, and supercharge it and your down the same money and actually have alot more power. Mm&ff did a 2v engine from a 97gt and did exactly that and ran 717rwhd so numbers aren't the a problem.
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Re: I wanna go FAST!

If you want 500 rwhp then just stick with the 2v. You can buy rods and pistons relatively cheap. Then, you just need a medium sized head unit of your choice, Procharger, Paxton, Vortech, etc.
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Yea exactly. The only reason you would want to go to the 4v would be to get like 1000hp. The 2v maxs out around 800 to 850
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Yea exactly. The only reason you would want to go to the 4v would be to get like 1000hp. The 2v maxs out around 800 to 850
I saw one a few weeks ago that made 1100 rwhp. Even the tuner said that was the baddest 2v he had ever seen!
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Well I'm talkin realistic lol my uncle built a racing 2v that was sc and turbo and made 1100rwhp
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Mach's do not have the same short block, and they do not have the same forged parts.

You need to decide what your goals are. If you want to make anything 600 HP or less, I say just stay 2V. If you want to make more, then go 4V.

Honestly, you shouldn't need to spend $$$ on aftermarket 2V heads. Ported PI heads, purpose ground cams, the proper intake, a quality shortblock, and a blower or turbo should pretty easily get you 450-600 depending on how much boost you make, the tune, etc...

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Re: I wanna go FAST!

After re-reading this thread, I want to point out that 03/04 Cobras were the first 4V's to have a forged short block. Prior 4V's did have a good block (aluminum teksid) and a forged crank....but the rods/pistons were not.

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After re-reading this thread, I want to point out that 03/04 Cobras were the first 4V's to have a forged short block. Prior 4V's did have a good block (aluminum teksid) and a forged crank....but the rods/pistons were not.

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So when I boost my 01. I'm sol?
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So when I boost my 01. I'm sol?
lol, didn't I tell you this a while back? You are limited to around 450 rwhp.
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lol, didn't I tell you this a while back? You are limited to around 450 rwhp.
You might have mentioned something.. 6-8 psi was where I was planning at staying. Whatcha think? I'm familiar with engines and superchargers. But not with engines that were not originally designed for a supercharger.
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So when I boost my 01. I'm sol?
Yup had that same motor in my 99 cobra and it was one of the reasons I moved on.
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I'm perfectly happy with 450hp. But what is a safe yet effective boost level?
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You might have mentioned something.. 6-8 psi was where I was planning at staying. Whatcha think? I'm familiar with engines and superchargers. But not with engines that were not originally designed for a supercharger.
Honestly, you can't go by PSI, as that could change depending on your headers, cats or o/r pipe, blower, etc. You will be good to go up to 450 rwhp and around 500 lbs of torque.
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So when I boost my 01. I'm sol?
Not necessarily.....It all depends on what you want to do. You could pretty safely make 430-450 and run forever with a solid tune. My old 97 Cobra made 45x on a stock shortblock and a Vortech T-Trim on 10 lbs. It ran fine, didn't get hurt until the guy who got it from me tried pushing it to 48x HP and running it hard without sufficient cool down time

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Honestly, you can't go by PSI, as that could change depending on your headers, cats or o/r pipe, blower, etc. You will be good to go up to 450 rwhp and around 500 lbs of torque.
Factory exhaust manifold. Off road xpipe. Getting the blower setup off a 04 cobra.
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Honestly, you can't go by PSI, as that could change depending on your headers, cats or o/r pipe, blower, etc. You will be good to go up to 450 rwhp and around 500 lbs of torque.
He's right.....if you'd be happy with 450 RWHP, this would be my advice...

Before you install the blower, get COMPLETE supporting mods. Heads, mid-pipe, catback, larger TB, quality MAF, aftermarket fuel pump, possible KB BAP, and injectors (not installed until blower is)....

If you do all of those mods and get a typical centrifugal on 8 lbs. or so, a good tuner should be able to safely tune the car to 430-450 RWHP

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Not necessarily.....It all depends on what you want to do. You could pretty safely make 430-450 and run forever with a solid tune. My old 97 Cobra made 45x on a stock shortblock and a Vortech T-Trim on 10 lbs. It ran fine, didn't get hurt until the guy who got it from me tried pushing it to 48x HP and running it hard without sufficient cool down time

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450 is about where I want. I was originally shooting for 500 but I'll be happy with 450. It's my daily driver so I need it to be somewhat safe on the motor. I just would like to be sure no Camaro ss is gonna take me. Well. At least the stock ones.
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Factory exhaust manifold. Off road xpipe. Getting the blower setup off a 04 cobra.
Get headers, it'll pay off.

You may want to also consider 96-98 Cobra cams.

Also, if you're serious about making as much HP as you can safely, get the blower ported while it's between vehicles. Also, get a SBTB and aftermarket or ported plenum. Posi Port has proved better results from porting than anybody else, so that'd be my advice.

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Factory exhaust manifold. Off road xpipe. Getting the blower setup off a 04 cobra.
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He's right.....if you'd be happy with 450 RWHP, this would be my advice...

Before you install the blower, get COMPLETE supporting mods. Heads, mid-pipe, catback, larger TB, quality MAF, aftermarket fuel pump, possible KB BAP, and injectors (not installed until blower is)....

If you do all of those mods and get a typical centrifugal on 8 lbs. or so, a good tuner should be able to safely tune the car to 430-450 RWHP

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Agreed, without the supporting mods I doubt he will get 450 out of the eaton at 6-8 psi.
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He's right.....if you'd be happy with 450 RWHP, this would be my advice...

Before you install the blower, get COMPLETE supporting mods. Heads, mid-pipe, catback, larger TB, quality MAF, aftermarket fuel pump, possible KB BAP, and injectors (not installed until blower is)....

If you do all of those mods and get a typical centrifugal on 8 lbs. or so, a good tuner should be able to safely tune the car to 430-450 RWHP

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My 01 motor already has the correct heads. I'm getting the blower, injectors, intake, tb, alternator, intercooler. And any other little thing I might need off of a 04 cobra
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450 is about where I want. I was originally shooting for 500 but I'll be happy with 450. It's my daily driver so I need it to be somewhat safe on the motor. I just would like to be sure no Camaro ss is gonna take me. Well. At least the stock ones.
Your car with 400 RWHP from a roots style blower should not have any trouble whatsoever with any stock Camaro SS.....and realistically it should handle any Corvette with less than an LS3

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450 is about where I want. I was originally shooting for 500 but I'll be happy with 450. It's my daily driver so I need it to be somewhat safe on the motor. I just would like to be sure no Camaro ss is gonna take me. Well. At least the stock ones.
Haha, my friends z28 that has 24,000 miles on it at stock hp which is like 330 or something he wants to race me but he has better power to weight ratio. He's 600 lbs lighter than me, that's why I'm aiming for 450-500 aswell. I hate people who's parents buy them there cars when they no nothing about them.. -.-
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My 01 motor already has the correct heads. I'm getting the blower, injectors, intake, tb, alternator, intercooler. And any other little thing I might need off of a 04 cobra
I meant headers, sorry.

Don't use the Cobra injectors, just get some Ford Racing 42's. 03 Cobra injectors will require adapters in your car anyway, and 42's would support more power.

I would have the stock blower, TB, and plenum all ported by Posi Port. It will put you in the position to get the most out of your setup....or shop SVTP for a used, aftermarket TB and plenum (sell fairly often there).

Get an upgraded heat exchanger, the stock one is not very efficient.

You will need a coolant reservoir for the IC and an IC pump

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Haha, my friends z28 that has 24,000 miles on it at stock hp which is like 330 or something he wants to race me but he has better power to weight ratio. He's 600 lbs lighter than me, that's why I'm aiming for 450-500 aswell. I hate people who's parents buy them there cars when they no nothing about them.. -.-
I would also ditch the cobra heat exchanger. Get the biggest one you can afford. Cooler IAT's are much easier on brittle shortblocks.
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I meant headers, sorry.

Don't use the Cobra injectors, just get some Ford Racing 42's. 03 Cobra injectors will require adapters in your car anyway, and 42's would support more power.

I would have the stock blower, TB, and plenum all ported by Posi Port. It will put you in the position to get the most out of your setup....or shop SVTP for a used, aftermarket TB and plenum (sell fairly often there).

Get an upgraded heat exchanger, the stock one is not very efficient.

You will need a coolant reservoir for the IC and an IC pump

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Good advice but keep this in mind. Everything I take off this 04 is free. This is kind of a budget deal for me. The tune is going to cost me 400. I'm trying to get out as cheap as possible. If I use the 04 cobra heat exchanger should I shoot for 400hp?
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Good advice but keep this in mind. Everything I take off this 04 is free. This is kind of a budget deal for me. The tune is going to cost me 400. I'm trying to get out as cheap as possible. If I use the 04 cobra heat exchanger should I shoot for 400hp?
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Haha, my friends z28 that has 24,000 miles on it at stock hp which is like 330 or something he wants to race me but he has better power to weight ratio. He's 600 lbs lighter than me, that's why I'm aiming for 450-500 aswell. I hate people who's parents buy them there cars when they no nothing about them.. -.-
330 is OE rated at the crank.....not RWHP. Your car with 350 RWHP would have him covered easily

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