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Old 12-16-2011, 08:49 PM   #1
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Turbocharger upgrade question

Hi, I am new to mustang evolution and new to the mustang family. I am very glad to be a part of both. I bought a 97 GT and want add either a single or twin turbo. What all would I have to add as far as upgrades for the 4.6L to handle the additional HP? Thanks for the help.
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Re: Turbocharger upgrade question

Sup, welcome...post pics

I would just stick with a single turbo kit and run around 8-10psi. I say that amount because I really don't know what's the max hp/tq a stock motor of your will hold
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Thanks. Pics will be coming soon. Ok I will do the single turbo kit. I do plan on doing some more upgrades, basically external instead of internal in the near future but the turbocharger is the first thing I would like to do.
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I have had 2 turbo mustangs both with on3 performance kits

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I had a turbo 2v and I would get a cobra block and crank manley pistons and rods. Forge the bottom end and sky is the limit(actually drivetrain is lol)
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Hi, I am new to mustang evolution and new to the mustang family. I am very glad to be a part of both. I bought a 97 GT and want add either a single or twin turbo. What all would I have to add as far as upgrades for the 4.6L to handle the additional HP? Thanks for the help.
Fuel system upgrades, preferably forge the bottom end. I think I heard the stock bottom end is good up to 450ish rwhp but that won't last long. New clutch, new tranny preferably. Single turbos are good for when you don't plan on pushing a lot of boost. I'm a fan of On3performances kit.
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On3 and keep it at 400 rwhp, should be good for a long time, depending on how you drive it.
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Re: Turbocharger upgrade question

you dont need to forged your bottom end to run a turbo kit..dont know why people keep sayin that...bottom end is acutally good to about 500 with cams,low boost and a good tune..but if you daily the car keep it around 450(its a turbo so more efficant than a blower) you will need a kmember kit for clearence,injectors,fuel pump and a decent turbo kit.. 7-9 lbs with a turbo and your makeing over 400 with ease..
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U will make over 400 with 7psi with just a roots blower.
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Not on a 2v....
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My bad thought we were talkin bout 3 v.
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you dont need to forged your bottom end to run a turbo kit..dont know why people keep sayin that...bottom end is acutally good to about 500 with cams,low boost and a good tune..but if you daily the car keep it around 450(its a turbo so more efficant than a blower) you will need a kmember kit for clearence,injectors,fuel pump and a decent turbo kit.. 7-9 lbs with a turbo and your makeing over 400 with ease..
We say that cause it's better safe than sorry
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We say that cause it's better safe than sorry
there are people that blow motors with 300hp... i have seen motors blow with the kenne bell "safe" tune that acutally is a very very safe tune with a 2.1 makeing only like 360rwhp..all motors are different if its time for it to let go..it will.. if you have the supporting mods to make the motor that more efficant..i.e. cams and also enough fuel(no lean spikes)..with a good tune it will last over 450 all day long..nothing is promised no matter what power adder you go with..nitrous,blower,turbo..

so i understand what you are saying..i also know of over 20+ cars with cams and blowers makeing 450-515 for the past 2-3 years with no problems..(not saying do that lol..but if you want to let it eat then let it eat lol...

also if you trust your tuner that will give you more piece of mind..if you are iffy about our tuner ..find another tuner or let him make it as safe as you want..low timeing and a nice 10:8-11:0 a/f
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there are people that blow motors with 300hp... i have seen motors blow with the kenne bell "safe" tune that acutally is a very very safe tune with a 2.1 makeing only like 360rwhp..all motors are different if its time for it to let go..it will.. if you have the supporting mods to make the motor that more efficant..i.e. cams and also enough fuel(no lean spikes)..with a good tune it will last over 450 all day long..nothing is promised no matter what power adder you go with..nitrous,blower,turbo..

so i understand what you are saying..i also know of over 20+ cars with cams and blowers makeing 450-515 for the past 2-3 years with no problems..(not saying do that lol..but if you want to let it eat then let it eat lol...

also if you trust your tuner that will give you more piece of mind..if you are iffy about our tuner ..find another tuner or let him make it as safe as you want..low timeing and a nice 10:8-11:0 a/f
Very true. I knew a guy with a 500rwhp 95 cobra. Completely stock with a vortech
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you dont need to forged your bottom end to run a turbo kit..dont know why people keep sayin that...bottom end is acutally good to about 500 with cams,low boost and a good tune..but if you daily the car keep it around 450(its a turbo so more efficant than a blower) you will need a kmember kit for clearence,injectors,fuel pump and a decent turbo kit.. 7-9 lbs with a turbo and your makeing over 400 with ease..
Its better to forge the bottom end period. Not just will it offer peace of mind but what about later down the road when they want more power they wont have to pull out the engine and rebuild it. My parents always tolled me to do it right the fisrt time so you wont have to do it again after it doesnt work, and my friend who is also my tuner tells his clients to do it right or not do it at all. Not every one has the same luck with cars I personaly rather play it safe than to be sorry.
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Its better to forge the bottom end period. Not just will it offer peace of mind but what about later down the road when they want more power they wont have to pull out the engine and rebuild it. My parents always tolled me to do it right the fisrt time so you wont have to do it again after it doesnt work, and my friend who is also my tuner tells his clients to do it right or not do it at all. Not every one has the same luck with cars I personaly rather play it safe than to be sorry.
well if thats the case..then everybody that puts a blower or nitrous on a stock motor is doing it wrong? and will your spending 3k for a forged shortblock may as well spend 1300 for a return style fuel system,1300 on a twin disk clutch if its a manual so you will never have to worry about the clutch,2-3k on a built tranny,1200 on a built rear end and etc....alot of guys are perfectly content to only wanting 430-450 range because thats is what their wallet will let them afford... so it takes a kid 2 years to save up 4000 finally for a blower kit with,injectors,fuel pump,masss air,professionally installed aand tuned..now he has 370+rwhp now and he can enjoy it and beat on it for a few years...or he spends 4000 on a forged motor and he still has to beat on it for a few years b4 he can afford to do a blower/turbo kit now..but he just spent 4000 on about 30-40 more hp(if he did cams)little more if he did heads also...but then gets in a bind and needs to sell the car to free up a little cash..you can pull a blower kit off and sell it quick if you need money and still be able to drive the car...not going to do that if you spent it all on a forged shortblock and you where never to put the power to it you looked sooooooooo long and sooooooo forward tooo


rather have fun and power now...but thats just me(and most guys with a mustang lol)
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Very true. I knew a guy with a 500rwhp 95 cobra. Completely stock with a vortech
A friends mach 1 made 481whp(8psi) with a on3 kit motor blown his brothers mach 1 527whp(10psi) and still going strong same tuner doing both cars. Just one brother had more luck than the other lol both brothers ordered cobra blocks with forged internals just one is already installed and the other is still waiting for the other engine to quit lol
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well if thats the case..then everybody that puts a blower or nitrous on a stock motor is doing it wrong? and will your spending 3k for a forged shortblock may as well spend 1300 for a return style fuel system,1300 on a twin disk clutch if its a manual so you will never have to worry about the clutch,2-3k on a built tranny,1200 on a built rear end and etc....alot of guys are perfectly content to only wanting 430-450 range because thats is what their wallet will let them afford... so it takes a kid 2 years to save up 4000 finally for a blower kit with,injectors,fuel pump,masss air,professionally installed aand tuned..now he has 370+rwhp now and he can enjoy it and beat on it for a few years...or he spends 4000 on a forged motor and he still has to beat on it for a few years b4 he can afford to do a blower/turbo kit now..but he just spent 4000 on about 30-40 more hp(if he did cams)little more if he did heads also...but then gets in a bind and needs to sell the car to free up a little cash..you can pull a blower kit off and sell it quick if you need money and still be able to drive the car...not going to do that if you spent it all on a forged shortblock and you where never to put the power to it you looked sooooooooo long and sooooooo forward tooo

rather have fun and power now...but thats just me(and most guys with a mustang lol)
I made a 847whp 2v with 11k including the price of the car.
I tuck my time on it and did most of the work myself with the help of my friends(helps that one has his own shop) I didn't waiste more than 3k on a shortblock mmr 1k kit goes for 2k but its cheaper if you buy parts little by little a cobra crank only goes for 400 manley rods 650(with arp bolts) and manley pistons run you another 750 with rings clavete bering go for a nother 150 and there you have your forged internals good for what ever you want to dish at it. If I can do it working a 15per hour job any one can do it. Now that I make 42 per hour im back to driving my 88gt(first car). Take your time on something and do it right, rather than rush into something and leave lots of room for error.
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Well i made 475 rwhp on my vortech 2v. Decided i didnt want to blow my motor up for a little while, backed it down to 440. It lasted several months and then...
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What did u do to make 800+ on a 2v? That sounds a lil far for a 2v
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No way. With the right build you can get a 2v to the 1000 mark. People hate on the 2v because the stock heads aren't that good but aftermarket heads will flow better then 4v heads and make more power for the price. I've seen several 800+ 2v that run into the 8's. For the extra price you pay for the 4v models you can do some work to the 2v and beat the 4v
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Doubt u can beat a 4v playa. U throw the same money into a 3v or 4v. As u do the 2v. They will stomp the 2v. Ive owned all 3. Had a 03 gt and a 03 cobra now a 08 427r. All heavily modded and the 2v is a turd
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I'm saying for the difference in price of the car you could put a set of trick flows which DO flow better then stock 4v heads and still be down on price
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My cousin b4 he blew this motor in his 2000 gt It was a fully built 2v. Heads cams the works. It wasnt bad needed a power adder though. Now he has a 5.4 bored to a 5.7. Still 2v. And carbureted with 150 shot.
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The 2v is extremely underrated because there's better versions out but by no means does it have no potential. Lol 500rwhp is alot regardless.
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True my cobra was puting down 575 at tires when i got rid of it which is more than enough for the street. Im Doing a fully built 3v for my 427 this time whith 2.8 kenny bell and spray.
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If I owned a termi all I would do is slapp on the hellion twin turbo and all required upgrades. 1100 to the ground lol that's insane
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Yes it is 1000 hp is crazy. I can put some pics of my uncles fox on here with a 454 yes chevy lol. with a f1r procharger with 30lbs boost dynoed at 1200 at tires. Insane man

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Put some pics of my uncles fox on my profile go check them out and the cobra is my old one that i sold to him. Miss it but love my 427r
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True my cobra was puting down 575 at tires when i got rid of it which is more than enough for the street. Im Doing a fully built 3v for my 427 this time whith 2.8 kenny bell and spray.
2.8 kbs are weak on the 3v lol... friend has his for sale on s197 forums if your interested...ask him why he is selling it lol..


and agreed you can make some nasty power with a 2v...although usually the ones makeing 850-900rwhp are usually race cars...well 4.6 2vs at least.. i know lightnings makeing 1000-1200 all day long..

im building my 2v right now and should hit the 800 range...built motor just 20 over, 10:1 compression,ported trickflows,logan intake,comp turbo billet 80mm,built 4r70w(darrin at bc automotive) fore innovations fuel system with dual (new 405) pumps, some nice custom turbo cams...and i have no doubt my car will be nasty...shooting to trap as close to 150 as i can...full interior,system in the trunk street car...around here the normal car is like 700rwhp on the freeway now lol...need some power to bust some *** lol and i will still be low on power for most of them haha..

if i would have went 4v only thing that would have been different was not needing the logan intake(dont really need it now) but then it wouldnt look as cool..just seeing a plain *** mach 1/99 cobra intake just sitting there lol...and my logan is full polished lol... i need to make a build thread here so i can show a few things..but oh well lol..
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Got a budy putting down 750 with 2.8 kenny bell on a 3v playa. Far from week
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Got a budy putting down 750 with 2.8 kenny bell on a 3v playa. Far from week
dyno numbers arent crap lol...my friend that is selling his kit supposedly made that much also...but was getting his *** killed on the freeway by cam/full exhaust z06's......PLAYA hahaha

and he also got beat by another friends built motor,vortech v2 si trim 06 gt that only made 660(on a right dyno lol)

the blower is a great blower but the performance i have seen with it on the 3v's arent very impressive to me

do you talk to everybody like they dont know what they are talking about just because you bought an overpriced roush? lol
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Hey budy ive owned plenty of mustangs got the roush to play with after i sold my 03 cobra. I know what im talking about had experience with quite a few blowers. Dont be upset bc im only 22 and got a roush as well as a wife and a kid. Got a extremely good job and not trying to start **** but i live the roush
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well thats good your 22 and doing that well...

but acutally im only 24 also pretty sure im doing better doing better since i was 20 but at least your doing good for yourself..(but thats not the subject) but damn should i include my 2 03 cobras i have had(still have 1), srt8 jeep gettin twins on it now, my daily driver that is a aps twin turbo 08 g8? and etc(but again this isnt the subject)

i just gave my opinon on the 2.8 with my experience with them. i personally like whipples(kinda favor'd though since i have a 2.9 crusher on my 03 cobra)

hope your build goes well...but if you ever come to texas you should play with the lil 2v so you can become another 2.8 kb statistic
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What about the 1200hp fox. I live in texas always have so u can comp play whenever. Im glad u got all that u can compe play with my dads twin turbo carbon z06 from heenesy if u want 2.

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How much is your budy selling the 2.8 4. Bc i wouldnt mind having it but thinking about doing the f1r procharger just like the one on the fox with my built motor.

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I like the whipples 2 got a friend who has a 2.3 on his lightning with built motor put down 571 its pretty quick for a truck.
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