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Old 02-28-2012, 11:44 PM   #1
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Trickflow Heads & Cams

Ive decided to skip all of the "bolt-ons" and order some trickflow heads and cams with my extra income tax $. But ive got a small problem. The engine in my car is a "windsor" but Ive got an '04 "romeo" block stripped apart. I was thinking i could just drive the car with my fresh built engine (the windsor block) thats in it, and build up the romeo block on the side with the trickflow heads and a forged bottom end.

So my obvious question is, can i put the romeo engine in my car after im done building it? And what will i have to change to make it work?

My other question is, will i have to special order the trickflow heads for the romeo block? Or do trickflows fit both romeo and windsor blocks?

Thanks for any help and/or ideas for my build!

Pics of my current set up bellow. Its pretty much stock.
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Old 02-29-2012, 01:32 AM   #2
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The blocks are pretty much the same, the names are because of where they were built only thing
I believe is different is valve covers but yes the heads will fit both blocks
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The blocks are pretty much the same, the names are because of where they were built only thing
I believe is different is valve covers but yes the heads will fit both blocks
The valve covers and crank flange.

Windsor valve covers - 13/14
Crank flange is 8 bolt

Romeo valve covers - 10/11 i believe
Crank flange is 6 bolt

I know because my windsor engine has a romeo crank in it. I went through ALOT of bull**** to figure that out lol

But i just need to know if the heads from a romeo will bolt on to a windsor or vise versa. If they interchange then i can just order a set of heads for a 99-04 Gt..if they dont, will i have to order it specifically for a romeo or a windsor block?
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The valve covers and crank flange.

Windsor valve covers - 13/14
Crank flange is 8 bolt

Romeo valve covers - 10/11 i believe
Crank flange is 6 bolt

I know because my windsor engine has a romeo crank in it. I went through ALOT of bull**** to figure that out lol

But i just need to know if the heads from a romeo will bolt on to a windsor or vise versa. If they interchange then i can just order a set of heads for a 99-04 Gt..if they dont, will i have to order it specifically for a romeo or a windsor block?
Well then lol and yeah they will fit, the block itself is the same, it maybe made of different metal idk but windsor and romeo are just basically where they are built.

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The valve covers and crank flange.

Windsor valve covers - 13/14
Crank flange is 8 bolt

Romeo valve covers - 10/11 i believe
Crank flange is 6 bolt

I know because my windsor engine has a romeo crank in it. I went through ALOT of bull**** to figure that out lol

But i just need to know if the heads from a romeo will bolt on to a windsor or vise versa. If they interchange then i can just order a set of heads for a 99-04 Gt..if they dont, will i have to order it specifically for a romeo or a windsor block?
In other words yes the heads will bolt on. Did Where you get them from not say that ?
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Old 02-29-2012, 02:53 AM   #5
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I dont understand that last question lol

If your asking where i heard that from? Ive heard alot of things about the 2 being different, especially when i was getting ready to rebuild mine. But since i have my car setup for a romeo crank anyways, the romeo block should have no problem bolting right up considering it has a romeo crank! Lol
So all i have to do is order the heads and they would fit on either one of my blocks right? So for whatever reason, if i decided to just pull my current windsor engine and slap the heads on it..it would work?
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I dont understand that last question lol

If your asking where i heard that from? Ive heard alot of things about the 2 being different, especially when i was getting ready to rebuild mine. But since i have my car setup for a romeo crank anyways, the romeo block should have no problem bolting right up considering it has a romeo crank! Lol
So all i have to do is order the heads and they would fit on either one of my blocks right? So for whatever reason, if i decided to just pull my current windsor engine and slap the heads on it..it would work?
I meant as in the site or whatever you go the heads from didn't have info saying that you could and yep you can. Just slap then on and you are good to go.
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You might have seen this but if not look what summit racing has
http://m.summitracing.com/parts/TFS-K519-390-375
There is 4 different kits they sale with the same set up its a nice deal. I wish I could do this to my car.
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Ive heard that i could run into "piston to valve" problems with these heads and cams though. Anyone know anything about it?
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Yes u can use tf heads on either Windsor/Romeo
The only differences I remember we're the amout of bolts for the crank/& valve covers also some cam sprockets were fixed to the cams some bolted to cams
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Yes u can use tf heads on either Windsor/Romeo
The only differences I remember we're the amout of bolts for the crank/& valve covers also some cam sprockets were fixed to the cams some bolted to cams
Is there any piston to valve issues with these things?
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Ive heard that i could run into "piston to valve" problems with these heads and cams though. Anyone know anything about it?
I never heard that at all.
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Old 02-29-2012, 01:21 PM   #12
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I didn't have any
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Ok then it should be fine, what kind of power increase did you see with them?
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Ok then it should be fine, what kind of power increase did you see with them?
I had them on my f150 liitle bit power but mostly liked the lope lol I haven't done head work yet on my stang
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Is there any piston to valve issues with these things?
Absolutely not. They actually give you more room than stock heads
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Yes u can use tf heads on either Windsor/Romeo
The only differences I remember we're the amout of bolts for the crank/& valve covers also some cam sprockets were fixed to the cams some bolted to cams
Do you know which has the cam sprockets bolted?
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I believe the Romeo are bolt on sprockets
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So if you have the Romeo and you upgrade cams you wouldn't have to buy new cam gears I'm guessing since they aren't pressed on?
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True unless u want the adjustable sprockets
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That's great savings of 249.99 haha
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:07 AM   #21
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How much hp can you gain from just camming the it? I might just do that for now if the increase in hp is worth what cams cost. If its not much then ill just do the heads/cams all at once i guess.
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AFM test showed like 70-90 gains with moderate port and polished heads +stage 2 cams they didn't say if any other bolt ons were present
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AFM test showed like 70-90 gains with moderate port and polished heads +stage 2 cams they didn't say if any other bolt ons were present
So do you think its worth the extra hp? Lol how much are you putting to the wheels?
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I still haven't put them in I'm still using stang as daily driver until I buy a beater and think I'm going to put them on my 5.4
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I still haven't put them in I'm still using stang as daily driver until I buy a beater and think I'm going to put them on my 5.4
Cool, and then the 5.4 in the stang? Its gona be crazy!
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Ya that's the plan soon as the funds come in for another vehicle hopefully soon but it'll prob be next winter when I get loan paid off from dads funeral
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Ya that's the plan soon as the funds come in for another vehicle hopefully soon but it'll prob be next winter when I get loan paid off from dads funeral
Sorry about your dad man..
Thats kinda what im doing, i wana have a dependable little beater before i tear the stang back apart
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How much hp could you gain from just getting heads for a 2V 4.6l ported and polished? I was just quoted $350 to have mine done at a local machine shop, should i have my heads done or just buy the trickflow heads? Id save a few grand having the heads ported and polished but is the power gain anywhere near what trickflows can make?

Help please?
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This really depends on what other work you have done, how much power your ooking for and is it the best upgrade at this time . I like patriot performance heads for the price they are great and cheaper than trick flow by a serious amount. But, if you have a nice setup with cams and exhaust etc. ported and polished is nothing to shy away from. If your looking for 350 to 400. Go for it
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