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Old 04-21-2012, 11:21 PM   #1
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Is turbo better or supercharger
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Is turbo better or supercharger
Depends on what you are looking for
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Supercharger=belt driven instant power

Turbocharger=lag but no parasitic loss
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I like turbos just cause they kick in later and also sound better
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I like the relative simplicity of a supercharger on our cars. Install is way easier (no tubular K's, custom brackets, painful header installation), and the power is still there. Not to mention Vortech tunes your car if you buy their kit... Which also comes with fuel delivery. Stock motors don't want more than 8psi anyways, so why turbo unless you're fully forged. Stockers will just bend rods.
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I like the relative simplicity of a supercharger on our cars. Install is way easier (no tubular K's, custom brackets, painful header installation), and the power is still there. Not to mention Vortech tunes your car if you buy their kit... Which also comes with fuel delivery. Stock motors don't want more than 8psi anyways, so why turbo unless you're fully forged. Stockers will just bend rods.
Idk if it's just me. But I feel like turbos belong in Japanese cars. And superchargers for our beefy muscle cars. Lol.
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Idk if it's just me. But I feel like turbos belong in Japanese cars. And superchargers for our beefy muscle cars. Lol.
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Idk if it's just me. But I feel like turbos belong in Japanese cars. And superchargers for our beefy muscle cars. Lol.
Hence the happy installation of a supercharger vs the PITA of a turbo. I kid, I kid. I love turbos, they're just a lot more money and work in our cars than the ol' centrifugal force-feeder. If we are talking about boosting a stock motor, a low-boost supercharger is the most economical, self-install friendly route to take.
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Turbos will always give you more horsepower psi for psi due to having no parasitic loss, however lag can be a big issue. I personally love turbos for the very reasons that everybody just listed: that are a pain in the butt to install and time bit once they are tuned correctly well there's no better feeling to me than suddenly feeling this strong pull from the engine. I love the sound you get from superchargers but they just aren't for me.
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Turbos will always give you more horsepower psi for psi due to having no parasitic loss, however lag can be a big issue. I personally love turbos for the very reasons that everybody just listed: that are a pain in the butt to install and time bit once they are tuned correctly well there's no better feeling to me than suddenly feeling this strong pull from the engine. I love the sound you get from superchargers but they just aren't for me.
What about a supercharger and dual turbos?? Let's talk power!!
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What about a supercharger and dual turbos?? Let's talk power!!
And meth, and nitrous, and a jet engine!
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And meth, and nitrous, and a jet engine!
Let's do it!!!
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Superchargers are a lot eaiser on you're motor.....turbos usually have much higher boost levels while superchargers can run 6-8 psi and give you power in all RPM ranges.
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What about a supercharger and dual turbos?? Let's talk power!!
Haha compound boost is awesome, but a tuning nightmare.
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Superchargers are a lot eaiser on you're motor.....turbos usually have much higher boost levels while superchargers can run 6-8 psi and give you power in all RPM ranges.
That's not necessarily true. You can stay out of boost with a turbo just driving and shifting normally as opposed to superchargers always producing boost.

Regardless, you can run any reasonable amount of boost safely with a good tune.
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Superchargers are a lot eaiser on you're motor.....turbos usually have much higher boost levels while superchargers can run 6-8 psi and give you power in all RPM ranges.
This is very false info
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This is very false info
+1 you can run a turbo at any boost level!!! Its all about the waste gate. I LOVE turbos and when I do my big build here in the next year or so I have given them alot of thought. I currently have a Vortech supercharger simply because it was cheap and easy to install. Im pushing 370/380 on a super safe tune and I am having a blast
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I like the on3 performance turbo kits, because they are cheaper than a supercharger kit, they sound better to my opinion, make more power at same boost level as supercharges, and the don't have lag, and they back it all with their cars, dyno numbers, and a pretty good warranty. They carry a complete kit with upgradable options. Plus they got a forward facing kit now, so no more k-members.... I want it so bad lol...
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This thread is destined to be just like manual vs auto....so im saying I like old school roots superchargers but thats just my preference..I think both can obviously be tuned for a dd as ford is using both supercharger and turbos in production vehicles....imo you see turbos in more fuel efficient vehicles as they are more efficient at making power,and superchargers in car more dedicated to a muscle car status so to speak...well at least speaking from a production vehicle standpoint...all imo..
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I like the on3 performance turbo kits, because they are cheaper than a supercharger kit, they sound better to my opinion, make more power at same boost level as supercharges, and the don't have lag, and they back it all with their cars, dyno numbers, and a pretty good warranty. They carry a complete kit with upgradable options. Plus they got a forward facing kit now, so no more k-members.... I want it so bad lol...
The problem with their cheap kit is that its gonna blow up fast, the basic turbo is a cheap chinese one. And they still lag. You will always get lag unless you get a dinky turbo.
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The problem with their cheap kit is that its gonna blow up fast, the basic turbo is a cheap chinese one. And they still lag. You will always get lag unless you get a dinky turbo.
I don't understand how you would not get lag from anything powered by your exhaust..your exhaust has to build up before it can spin the turbine fast enough to produce power right? I'm no expert on turbos but I believe thats how it works. Just wondering how you wouldn't have lag like that if I'm wrong please school me I'm trying to learn...
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The problem with their cheap kit is that its gonna blow up fast, the basic turbo is a cheap chinese one. And they still lag. You will always get lag unless you get a dinky turbo.
Ok well I didn't know after putting almost 4 grand in a turbo set up was cheap? But is still cheaper than a vortec,Paxton,procharger, or Kenny bell etc. or even a hellion kit.... So give me a break lol...

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I don't understand how you would not get lag from anything powered by your exhaust..your exhaust has to build up before it can spin the turbine fast enough to produce power right? I'm no expert on turbos but I believe thats how it works. Just wondering how you wouldn't have lag like that if I'm wrong please school me I'm trying to learn...
Ok so let's put it this way, if your are coming straight from the headers, to the turbo with only 6-8 psi, you will still get fats spool. Especially on "high compression stock" motors, plus not to mention you still always have air pushing to the turbo, so even if there is lag, it picks up in the matter of a second, so really you wouldn't even notice it. At least not from what I can tell...
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I don't understand how you would not get lag from anything powered by your exhaust..your exhaust has to build up before it can spin the turbine fast enough to produce power right? I'm no expert on turbos but I believe thats how it works. Just wondering how you wouldn't have lag like that if I'm wrong please school me I'm trying to learn...
A "dinky turbo" like mentioned before will not lag because it is small enough to spin up fast at low RPMs and eliminate whatever lag you would have. However, they do not produce much in the way of peak power. This is the reason why most twin turbo setups, instead of just creating tons of boost late in the power band with two large turbos instead incorporate one small and one larger turbo, one for launches and low end power and one for peak, after the small one is delivering diminished gains.
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A "dinky turbo" like mentioned before will not lag because it is small enough to spin up fast at low RPMs and eliminate whatever lag you would have. However, they do not produce much in the way of peak power. This is the reason why most twin turbo setups, instead of just creating tons of boost late in the power band with two large turbos instead incorporate one small and one larger turbo, one for launches and low end power and one for peak, after the small one is delivering diminished gains.
Ok if define dinky, lol because a centrifugal blower is about the same size as about a 70mm turbo... I'll back off because I don't wanna argue or sound a a know it all jerk...

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Ok if define dinky, lol because a centrifugal blower is about the same size as about a 70mm turbo... I'll back off because I don't wanna argue or sound a a know it all jerk...
All I was say is I like the kit but hey apparently I don't fit in here because you guys all like supercharges lmao...
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Ok if define dinky, lol because a centrifugal blower is about the same size as about a 70mm turbo... I'll back off because I don't wanna argue or sound a a know it all jerk...
I don't want any arguments to pursue either and that will cause me to unsubscribe quickly. Just tryin to learn here and help out the op at the same time.
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I don't want any arguments to pursue either and that will cause me to unsubscribe quickly. Just tryin to learn here and help out the op at the same time.
Yah buddy I hear ya sorry...
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A smaller turbo does not require lots of exhaust gases to spin fast because there is less mass to spin and there is less volume to fill inside the turbo so the amount of exhaust gases at low rpms is sufficient.

A centrifugal supercharger is driven off the crankshaft and builds boost dependent upon rpms, not engine load. Supercharges always have some boost as long as the motor is running. In order for a supercharger to create more power you just throw on a smaller pulley and make it spin faster and dram in more air
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I don't understand how you would not get lag from anything powered by your exhaust..your exhaust has to build up before it can spin the turbine fast enough to produce power right? I'm no expert on turbos but I believe thats how it works. Just wondering how youget wouldn't have lag like that if I'm wrong please school me I'm trying to learn...
I don't mean to argue either. But its as they mentioned. The thing with the On 3 kit is that the smallest turbo you can get is a 67 mil. Its not big but it isnt small. Compared to say your typical 4 cylinder turbo then yes we have little turbo lag.
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I don't mean to argue either. But its as they mentioned. The thing with the On 3 kit is that the smallest turbo you can get is a 67 mil. Its not big but it isnt small. Compared to say your typical 4 cylinder turbo then yes we have little turbo lag.
So is on3 good or not? They are not too far from me...neither is hofibertrends..that's where I'll be getting my hood..
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Ok well I didn't know after putting almost 4 grand in a turbo set up was cheap? But is still cheaper than a vortec,Paxton,procharger, or Kenny bell etc. or even a hellion kit.... So give me a break lol...

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Ok so let's put it this way, if your are coming straight from the headers, to the turbo with only 6-8 psi, you will still get fats spool. Especially on "high compression stock" motors, plus not to mention you still always have air pushing to the turbo, so even if there is lag, it picks up in the matter of a second, so really you wouldn't even notice it. At least not from what I can tell...
I just mean with the basic kit its going to be a relatively cheap kit because they get their supplies from japan, or china, or something like that., i think jegs has a $2900 but its not going to last long. If you build the kit with good parts, thats when you get into the $4k range. I dont mean to argue either, forums are here for everybody to learn things. Yes you are correct on how fast they spool however the biggest factor is how big the turbo is.

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So is on3 good or not? They are not too far from me...neither is hofibertrends..that's where I'll be getting my hood..
I think they are good, as long as you stick with the higher quality kits. I plan on using their kit once i can get the funds.
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I just mean with the basic kit its going to be a relatively cheap kit because they get their supplies from japan, or china, or something like that., i think jegs has a $2900 but its not going to last long. If you build the kit with good parts, thats when you get into the $4k range. I dont mean to argue either, forums are here for everybody to learn things. Yes you are correct on how fast they spool however the biggest factor is how big the turbo is.

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I think they are good, as long as you stick with the higher quality kits. I plan on using their kit once i can get the funds.
I'm kinda interested jn their front facing kit although I don't like the atmosphere waste gate...I don't want that *pshsss* sound coming out of my engine bay...I'm not a ricer...
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I'm kinda interested jn their front facing kit although I don't like the atmosphere waste gate...I don't want that *pshsss* sound coming out of my engine bay...I'm not a ricer...
I haven't researched a lot of their stuff yet just because I'm not gonna have the money for a longtime. I'm kind of a fan of the atmosphere blow off valve, of you want a quiet one, then get a recirculating blow off valve. It just routes the excess pressure into the exhaust.
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On3 makes good stuff. I looked into getting one of their kits before i bought my vortech setup. As mentioned before the turbos are chinese but they give you an option to upgrade. I recommend them fully but with these exceptions, get the upgraded turbo, waste gate, and BOV. Everything else is fine.
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