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Old 05-17-2012, 10:47 PM   #1
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Exclamation The ultimate 2v engine!

I will be dumping a HUGE amount of money into my spare engine I have on my engine stand very soon, it's been waiting for quite sometime, and it's finally time to start. I want you guys to help me build the ultimate 2V 4.6L by helping create a list of parts I could buy to build an extremely powerful N/A 2V engine. Of course I will be slapping a Kenne Bell on it eventually, but I want to get as much power as possible being N/A before I do.

If possible, list the parts with prices.

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You can't really do that unless you plan on rebuilding it at some point. In order to get as much as you can N/A you have to have high compression and forged or not your motor will go FAST on FI with that high of compression.
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You can't really do that unless you plan on rebuilding it at some point. In order to get as much as you can N/A you have to have high compression and forged or not your motor will go FAST on FI with that high of compression.
This is true! But if you were to stay with a lower c/r then you would be ok but dont try to do both go max N/A or plan for boost. My power engine build is going to consist of a forged 2v short block with 44cc ported trick flow twisted wedge heads with matching manifold and pelenum and stage 3 blower cams and then an intercooled vortech V3 supercharger kit with 40lbs injectors. I'm looking to hit 500-600 rwhp and similar TQ.
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Mines prettying the same except I'm going a 5.0 big bore and skipping the manifold and going with the kenne bell 2.6 and 60 lbs injectors. That kenne bell is good for nearly 30 psi and I plan on running about 25 lbs with meth on track runs. That should be pushing around 800hp or so. I don't plan on running that much boost all the time though. My car is cammed now with stage 2 comp cam custom grinds for boost and I still run 13.2 1/4s
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Jake you would b the first to reply to this lol
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Lol haha oh yes
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You can't really do that unless you plan on rebuilding it at some point. In order to get as much as you can N/A you have to have high compression and forged or not your motor will go FAST on FI with that high of compression.
What do you mean rebuilding it at some point? Thats what I'm gona be doing to the spare engine, forged internals and all, with the trickflow top end most likely, so I dont really get what your saying?
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What do you mean rebuilding it at some point? Thats what I'm gona be doing to the spare engine, forged internals and all, with the trickflow top end most likely, so I dont really get what your saying?
You can build a na engine and then decide to throw a blower on it. The principals just don't mesh. Your looking at 11-13 comp on a na street build and 8-9.5 on a blower build. Honestly I don't know why you want to do the 2v. I know it works but a 4v will go a long ways. And for the cost of the tw heads u could get the heads and drop them on a forged shortblock. I see no reason why a 11.6 forged compression 4v couldn't make 425hp. Cams, porting and a valve job and 450 would be feasable.
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You can build a na engine and then decide to throw a blower on it. The principals just don't mesh. Your looking at 11-13 comp on a na street build and 8-9.5 on a blower build. Honestly I don't know why you want to do the 2v. I know it works but a 4v will go a long ways. And for the cost of the tw heads u could get the heads and drop them on a forged shortblock. I see no reason why a 11.6 forged compression 4v couldn't make 425hp. Cams, porting and a valve job and 450 would be feasable.
I'll stick with the 2V, I've already got it here and I'd like to see how far I can get with one, I wana keep it a "Gt" and if I went 4V I'd need the engine, tranny ect. right? It's just more convenient for me to stay 2V...

And as for the trickflow setup, I can just forge the bottom end, and then buy the trickflow setup, and that alone would make 330 rwhp. At that point, I could just throw an S/C on it right? But how much boost can you run with a forged bottom end on a 2V?
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It cost more then that to do a 4v swap unless you buy a salvage block and they won't be the 03-04 4v heads and it's a royal pain in the *** to do the swap. Especially if they aren't matching blocks since you'd have to rig your accessories to work. Plus trick flows out flow 4v heads with a stage 1 porting. They are about a billion times less of a pain and do just as well. Plus on top of that trick flows allow for the BIGGEST cams you can find without any fly cutting of the pistons.
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It cost more then that to do a 4v swap unless you buy a salvage block and they won't be the 03-04 4v heads and it's a royal pain in the *** to do the swap. Especially if they aren't matching blocks since you'd have to rig your accessories to work. Plus trick flows out flow 4v heads with a stage 1 porting. They are about a billion times less of a pain and do just as well. Plus on top of that trick flows allow for the BIGGEST cams you can find without any fly cutting of the pistons.
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I like my little 2V..and the trickflows make some impressive dyno numbers over stock

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And yeah, it would be easier to build the engine I already have on the stand and my car is already setup for it. WAY easier lol
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Plus it's about a billion times more impressive to build a sick 2v over a 4v. That's just too easy to do.

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The block will work no matter what heads it is but it's just a mess getting everything to match up and work properly.

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A forged bottom end will handle whatever you put to it as long as you have the right fasteners and a low enough compression. Dont skip out on the bolts for your rods or anything ARP is the way to go EVERYWHERE. Your gonna want around 8.5 cr for a large amount of boost.
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Re: The ultimate 2v engine!

Hell yeah! I've never seen a fully built 2V in person, I'd be the only one around here with it.

And what boost would you recommend with this setup? And what kid of power should I expect?
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Well I have no knowledge of centrifugal style superchargers. I know a 2.1 kenne bell twin screw style supercharger will make at max boost of 20 psi which is more then they recommend to run will make 717 hp at the engine with ported pi heads and injectors at 9.0:1 cr. The 2.6 will do upwards of 30 psi and stay efficient within that range too and it will make alot more then 717hp lol

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I'll be the only built mustang where I live when mines done. And the only one that makes anywhere near that power too.

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If you run massive amounts of boost with the supercharger youll need to run some form of cooling like methanol injection or what not. It's ALOT of heat.
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Old 05-18-2012, 04:27 AM   #15
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Re: The ultimate 2v engine!

****, if it will make 717 at the engine with the ported pi heads than it will be a rocket ship with the trickflows...gona be scary seems how my cars a vert lol is there a way to reinforce these verts without adding too much weight to them?

And yeah, I figured that.
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Subframe connectors. Get the maximum motorsports ones. The full Length ones are the ones you want
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That's how stiff it makes it with them on there. Idk about the vert since its missing a roof lol that's 3 wheels off the ground from the front.
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Find yourself a 96-98 teksid cobra short block and cobra crank get some good h beam rods and some 6cc dished forged pistons. These blocks handle a little over a 1000hp with all ARP 2000 studs thru out. Change out the stock PI intake to and an edelbrock or trick flow and some good stg2 or 3 cams. You then can add some some good stage 3 ported PI heads or trick flows. Dont forget to add a good billet gear oil pump. Then add 20 pounds of boost this combo will net 600-650rwhp on 93.. I would recommend running 60 or 80 lbs injectors. I also might add you need an entire new fuel system to achieve these numbers. I have an 03-04 cobra tank with twin Ford GT pumps and a Kenne Bell boost a pump. I also have a modified dual FPDM with 8 gauge wiring. I have over 2k In the fuel system alone. I'm also adding a Snow Performance stage 3 meth/water kit. You really need to figure out your budget because all these parts dont include a bunch of tuning or dyno time to dial it all in. Hope this helps.
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Find yourself a 96-98 teksid cobra short block and cobra crank get some good h beam rods and some 6cc dished forged pistons. These blocks handle a little over a 1000hp with all ARP 2000 studs thru out. Change out the stock PI intake to and an edelbrock or trick flow and some good stg2 or 3 cams. You then can add some some good stage 3 ported PI heads or trick flows. Dont forget to add a good billet gear oil pump. Then add 20 pounds of boost this combo will net 600-650rwhp on 93.. I would recommend running 60 or 80 lbs injectors. I also might add you need an entire new fuel system to achieve these numbers. I have an 03-04 cobra tank with twin Ford GT pumps and a Kenne Bell boost a pump. I also have a modified dual FPDM with 8 gauge wiring. I have over 2k In the fuel system alone. I'm also adding a Snow Performance stage 3 meth/water kit. You really need to figure out your budget because all these parts dont include a bunch of tuning or dyno time to dial it all in. Hope this helps.
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This is true! But if you were to stay with a lower c/r then you would be ok but dont try to do both go max N/A or plan for boost. My power engine build is going to consist of a forged 2v short block with 44cc ported trick flow twisted wedge heads with matching manifold and pelenum and stage 3 blower cams and then an intercooled vortech V3 supercharger kit with 40lbs injectors. I'm looking to hit 500-600 rwhp and similar TQ.
Your gonna want bigger injectors than that to get in that power level
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Your gonna want bigger injectors than that to get in that power level
That's right at least 60 #
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That's right at least 60 #
60 eh... duely noted thanks
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60 eh... duely noted thanks
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Re: The ultimate 2v engine!

Does anyone know if they sell a trickflow longblock? Like already assembled bottom end and heads too? Just basically bolt my timing, valve covers, and alternater ect. on and drop the engine in? Give me a link if possible. Thanks
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http://www.modularmustangracing.com/
Look In their long block section. Amazing quality stuff.
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Wow. They have some damn good deals. Which one would you go with?
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I'm doing a forged big bore 5.0 without a stroker cranks with ported trickflow heads
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How much is that gona run you?
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I'm just working on a bare block. I'm not buying a long block or anything. I'm actually worried about my rear end at the moment. If you havent built yours yet I'd suggest it. I snapped an axle and tore up my ring gear and diff with full bolt ons and cams.
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I'm just working on a bare block. I'm not buying a long block or anything. I'm actually worried about my rear end at the moment. If you havent built yours yet I'd suggest it. I snapped an axle and tore up my ring gear and diff with full bolt ons and cams.
+1 At least stay away from drag radials until you build up your diff.
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+1 At least stay away from drag radials until you build up your diff.
Wait sorry haven't read the whole conversation but I'm going to put some 305's on my car is tht bad?
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Wait sorry haven't read the whole conversation but I'm going to put some 305's on my car is tht bad?
No, I think would great and look good! I was saying that if your building an engine to produce HP like FORDGT14 is doing, prolly gonna need to build up the rear diff. Really, might need to build up the tranny too.
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No, I think would great and look good! I was saying that if your building an engine to produce HP like FORDGT14 is doing, prolly gonna need to build up the rear diff. Really, might need to build up the tranny too.
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Yea take it from me. I blew up my rear end with just bolt ons and cams.
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Yea take it from me. I blew up my rear end with just bolt ons and cams.
Don't want to sound like an idiot but what all do you have to do to build up your rear end??
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