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Old 05-22-2012, 12:04 AM   #36
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Yeah but how do people get like 400rwhp by doing motor work then?
Heads/Cams/Intake , higher compression pistons

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You know a terminator block is the same as cast iron gt block and your not boring 2-3 tenths, your going hundredths .020 not .20 unless your planning on going to a 5.0 big bore which you can do safely.
I think you ment thousandths

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You bump it up a couple different ways: you can mill the deck on your block, get the smaller cc TFS heads, or get domed pistons. Any one of those will bump up compression, assuming you keep the same size head gasket if you mill the deck.
Milling the deck will also bump the compression
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No I meant hundredths. .1 is tenths. .01 is hundredths .001 is thousands
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:07 AM   #38
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No I meant hundredths. .1 is tenths. .01 is hundredths .001 is thousands
.001 is one thousandth, .020 is twenty thousandths. I'm a willwright, Google it

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2-3 tenths is roughly 3/16"
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:13 AM   #39
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Google what lol
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You know a terminator block is the same as cast iron gt block and your not boring 2-3 tenths, your going hundredths .020 not .20 unless your planning on going to a 5.0 big bore which you can do safely.
Some one stated going .20 not .020
My first 2v cracked with only 455whp haven't trusted a gt block since.
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Old 05-22-2012, 05:56 AM   #41
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Google what lol
Fractions of an inch.

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Old 05-22-2012, 07:54 AM   #42
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That's ok I'm not a scientist or teacher or what not so I'll take your word. It makes sense both ways but either way oh well.

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Some one stated going .20 not .020
My first 2v cracked with only 455whp haven't trusted a gt block since.
They are the same block bud. The cobra blocks were all aluminum until 03-04 when they decided to stick with the cast iron for strength which is the same bare block as a gt. adds weight but adds strength. The reason they state a 03-04 cobra block when you buy blocks is because that's the end all for most people.
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Old 05-22-2012, 09:30 AM   #43
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Re: Bore 30 over

yes meant .020 which is thousandths..sorry typed all that on my phone and crap just wasnt acting right lol...
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Old 05-22-2012, 09:36 AM   #44
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You know a terminator block is the same as cast iron gt block and your not boring 2-3 tenths, your going hundredths .020 not .20 unless your planning on going to a 5.0 big bore which you can do safely.
What are you saying? The terminator block can handle upwards of 800hp. MMR uses them in their 900hp engine packages.
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Old 05-22-2012, 09:43 AM   #45
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Those are short blocks with the crank, rods, and pistons the block itself should not fail unless your running ridiculous amounts boost on high compression and your cylinder walls blow out or crack. 99% of the time the only reason a block fails is because of a failure internally such as broken rods or crank or anything really.

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And a terminator engine can handle more then 800 hp. They can handle around 1200hp without any modding to the block or internals
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Those are short blocks with the crank, rods, and pistons the block itself should not fail unless your running ridiculous amounts boost on high compression and your cylinder walls blow out or crack. 99% of the time the only reason a block fails is because of a failure internally such as broken rods or crank or anything really.

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And a terminator engine can handle more then 800 hp. They can handle around 1200hp without any modding to the block or internals
That's what I'm saying... 800+ you said the terminator block is the same as an iron gt block... Waaay stronger.
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Old 05-22-2012, 10:07 AM   #47
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No they are the same block the terminator has different internals but the block itself is the same cast iron block as a gt
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Re: Bore 30 over

wow....

the bare block out of a gt and a 03-04 cobra are basically the same!!!!!!!
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Blackout is referring to the bare block. No crank, rods, pistons.

Cracking blocks is for Chevys. Ford isn't a fan of busted blocks
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Thanks for all the input guys!!!!

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If I were to get new pistons I would probably have to bore it right?
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Thanks for all the input guys!!!!

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If I were to get new pistons I would probably have to bore it right?
Yes
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Old 05-22-2012, 05:20 PM   #52
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Okay that's what I thought and I'm probably doing 20 over
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Probably get by with honing, if there's no deep scratches.
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Old 05-22-2012, 06:38 PM   #54
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Thanks for all the input guys!!!!

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If I were to get new pistons I would probably have to bore it right?
No, I dont know why he said you do but you don't have to. You would just need new piston rings. Unless you buy pistons that are .020 over.
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That's ok I'm not a scientist or teacher or what not so I'll take your word. It makes sense both ways but either way oh well.

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They are the same block bud. The cobra blocks were all aluminum until 03-04 when they decided to stick with the cast iron for strength which is the same bare block as a gt. adds weight but adds strength. The reason they state a 03-04 cobra block when you buy blocks is because that's the end all for most people.
every time I order blocks I just order termi blocks never ordered anything else, I only go for the iron blocks for my projects at my friends ge have a aluminator longblock that will be going into a notch but I don't trust that block for high boost since I have no experience with them. Guess we got a 6k test subject in the works.
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No, I dont know why he said you do but you don't have to. You would just need new piston rings. Unless you buy pistons that are .020 over.
if a motor has decent miles on it you can just slap some standard bore pistons in with new rings and call it a day..pistons will most likely have alot of blow by..you can get pistons .001 over..

1 thing you dont do is have the machine work done without the pistons..when you have the pistons then bring block to machine shop and they will be able to bore block to needed size for pistons.
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Well the motor that I'm doing work on has 56k
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No, I dont know why he said you do but you don't have to. You would just need new piston rings. Unless you buy pistons that are .020 over.
If you don't deglaze the cylinders, the rings will not seat properly = boring
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If you don't deglaze the cylinders, the rings will not seat properly = boring
I wasnt referring to your comment, i know honing is a good thing, just like how you would need to run a ridge reamer along with the hone to get a truly new cylinder wall. I was referring to the guy who aid you would need completely new pistons for it.
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I wasnt referring to your comment, i know honing is a good thing, just like how you would need to run a ridge reamer along with the hone to get a truly new cylinder wall. I was referring to the guy who aid you would need completely new pistons for it.
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