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Old 07-30-2012, 08:25 PM   #141
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You guys wanna see something COOL!!
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Very cool! Did you make some of those for your stang?
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That's why I'm going to shorten the hoses that link them together. The gray hoses that run across. I've fixed numerous ones so I don't see why I can't do the same to narrow it down a bit.
IMRC plates, these are the good ones.

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Very cool! Did you make some of those for your stang?
I got them from some friends over at LincolnvsCadillac forums. They are made in limited numbers. They are difficult to get. I have one for my trunk lid. I have both Mark and Cobra spec power. So I thought it was cool.


I think we need to setup a IRC channel that we can hang at. I mean it seems that there is less than a hand full putting in this thread. I think that'd be cool.
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Just started a IRC channel on foonetic.net channel name is #warhorse and pwd is mustang
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Sorry, Lol, I have no idea what that is?
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The IAC on both Mach/Cobra and 97-98 Mark are locted on the Intake. The Mach/Cobra combo has a nipple near the IAC as a bypass. Sort of like the GT has its nipple on the IAC it self. The Mark however, though having the IAC mounted on the intake it has no nipple for this. Instead it is made in the TB itself. The first photo added is a Cobra setup, then a Mark TB.


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seen the holes, these are for the IAC to work properly. without them the engine would not idle properly.

EDIT Seems the TB that didn't work for me we a 01 Bullitt TB. Gonna check numbers and post findings tomorrow night.
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It's been pretty quiet lately.
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I'm trying to read all this and start catching up with this thread. Been very busy moving and doing military training recently so haven't been online a ton. I should have a little more time now.

Btw! I think I found some C heads sourced from an '03 Mach1! What would be a good price for it?

Also I found a 2003 Termi engine (full engine) that the guy wants $4k for. He also has the T56 6-speed tranny with it... Seems good?
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It's been pretty quiet lately.
Hey have you ran you're car at the track with the mark 8 swap ? I wonder if I should do this swap on my 00 gt or just stick with a 2v
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Gathered up a intake throttle body cable and fuel rails for 143.00. Can't beat that. Should be here this week for certain.
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Gathered up a intake throttle body cable and fuel rails for 143.00. Can't beat that. Should be here this week for certain.
That's awesome, man! Looks like you might finish your engine before me. Haha
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Haha maybe as long as no more surprises pop up before then...
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Gathered up a intake throttle body cable and fuel rails for 143.00. Can't beat that. Should be here this week for certain.
Nice ! My friend works at the junkyard and there's a 98 mark 8 there that still runs with 130k on it , he wants 500 bucks for it

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I ran a 13.7 last Thursday on a full bolt on 2v , I don't know if its worth to start over with a 4v out of a mark , I was told they have 280 HP. Were a cobra motor has 300 plus but I can't find a cheap 99 or 01 cobra engine
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I'm trying to read all this and start catching up with this thread. Been very busy moving and doing military training recently so haven't been online a ton. I should have a little more time now.

Btw! I think I found some C heads sourced from an '03 Mach1! What would be a good price for it?

Also I found a 2003 Termi engine (full engine) that the guy wants $4k for. He also has the T56 6-speed tranny with it... Seems good?
Well I got my C heads from a Lincoln for 95 a piece. So I figured 250-300 if fully loaded with rockers and lash adjusters from third party. Sadly as I found digging more deep into things, I found that the Mach cams are the same as the Mark 8, Navigator, Marauder, and Terminator. But good news they are a great FI bumpstick.
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That's cool, I didn't know the Marks cams were the same as Termi's and Machs.
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Nice ! My friend works at the junkyard and there's a 98 mark 8 there that still runs with 130k on it , he wants 500 bucks for it

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I ran a 13.7 last Thursday on a full bolt on 2v , I don't know if its worth to start over with a 4v out of a mark , I was told they have 280 HP. Were a cobra motor has 300 plus but I can't find a cheap 99 or 01 cobra engine
HP is not really a big deal with the 4v all of them are over 300hp lincolns are the same as the 98 cobra with the difference of cranks (not a hp maker.). The intake adds roughly 5-10hp. With a Mark/early Cobra block your shedding almost 100 extra pounds off the front of the car. Making it a better front to rear weight ratio which equals better handling. As for 500 that's a good price. Try to bargain with him get it for 400. But get everything from oil pan to throttle body. Also grab the cruise control cable and the throttle cable. Thermostat housing and hoses. Now if you want I make you a shopping list or.... you can check my writeup out and read the info posted, there is alot of engine spec in there to help make your decision.

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Also I found a 2003 Termi engine (full engine) that the guy wants $4k for. He also has the T56 6-speed tranny with it... Seems good?
I look at it as a low budget. When it comes to terminator engines you have to wonder why? Are they selling it because its wrecked? Did they say that they are upgrading, is so then why. I'm not a fan of the Eaton on there really. For the T56 is cool, but I would suggest a TKO600 kits are decently priced on those and handle a lot more power. though not 6spd its doubtful that you would utilize it. Don't get me wrong if its what you want then its what you want. In my case I went a different route. But I built my engine from the ground up, putting in what I wanted in. My next is a 5.4 stroked 4v. It sucks we dont all live close. Cause hell Cole I'd build you an Engine.

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That's cool, I didn't know the Marks cams were the same as Termi's and Machs.
That's correct sir. All that info is in my writeup.
Getting the tags on my car Monday so I'll be driving it more often. Still waiting on my tune.
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Grab it up for 400 and tear it down and build it the way you want. Run your 2v til you get the 4v exactly how you want it. Btw nomad I noticed you said the mark 8 has the same cams.
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Grab it up for 400 and tear it down and build it the way you want. Run your 2v til you get the 4v exactly how you want it. Btw nomad I noticed you said the mark 8 has the same cams.
That would be correct.

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Well don't let distance stop you from building it for me! I'll ship parts to you while I'm away in the military! Haha.

And he had a 2003 Mach1 that he wanted to swap a termi engine into it. He got the full termi engine and then before the installed he it wrecked the mach1, got tboned. So he actually has a donor mach1 car with working (but damaged) engine, plus the termi engine and tranny.
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Wonder why navi cams have more bump to them???
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Wonder why navi cams have more bump to them???
They don't

03/04 Cobra, Mach 1, Aviator, Marauder, and all Mark 8s and Navigators
Int: 184 deg @ .050/.394 lift
Exh: 196 deg @ .050/.397 lift

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Int: 200 deg @.050/.39x” lift
Exh: 196 deg @.050/.39x” lift

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Int: 204 deg @.050/ .39x” lift
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They don't

03/04 Cobra, Mach 1, Aviator, Marauder, and all Mark 8s and Navigators
Int: 184 deg @ .050/.394 lift
Exh: 196 deg @ .050/.397 lift

99/01 Cobra
Int: 200 deg @.050/.39x” lift
Exh: 196 deg @.050/.39x” lift

96-98 Cobra
Int: 204 deg @.050/ .39x” lift
Exh: 196 deg @.050/ .39x” lift


I apologize for sounding ignorant but could you possibly explain what the numbers mean in relation to power output/flow?
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I apologize for sounding ignorant but could you possibly explain what the numbers mean in relation to power output/flow?
No problem, I found an article from Hotrod.com and it has the info you need.

UNDERSTANDING CAMSHAFT SPECIFICATIONS
There are many numbers and terms used when describing a camshaft's design that must be understood when choosing a cam. It's good to know exactly how each of these specs affects the engine's performance, but one of the most important is duration, so pay special attention to that one. Also, look at the recommendations given by the cam companies for our six sample vehicles at the end of this article. Compare how the specs change from one example to the other, then refer back to the paragraphs just below to see why one has more duration or lift than the other.

LIFT:

The cam's basic function is to open the valves. Lift refers to how far the valve is opened (or lifted) off its seat. A street performance cam will usually have between .450- and .550-inch lift. More lift can increase power, and increased lift without changing duration increases power without affecting the point of peak power on the rpm band. The rocker arms have a direct effect on lift because they don't have a 1:1 lever ratio. A cam that has .318 inch of lobe lift (that's how far it lifts the lifter) will open the valve .477 inch with 1.5:1 rocker arms (.318 x 1.5 = .477) and .508 inch with 1.6:1 rockers.

Generally, a stock engine will tolerate .500-inch lift before the valves hit the pistons or the valve springs hit coil bind, but any time lift is increased, these clearances should be checked.

DURATION
: Duration is how long the cam holds the valves open. It's expressed in degrees of crankshaft rotation (remember, the cam rotates at half the speed of the crank). A 280-degree-duration cam holds the valves open longer than a 260-degree-duration cam. Holding the valves open longer allows more air and fuel into the engine and also allows more to get out through the exhaust. Longer duration (higher number) improves top-end power but almost always sacrifices low-end torque. Lower duration improves low-end torque and makes the car idle better, but it limits top-end power, and you can get only so much valve lift with a short duration cam due to the rate-of-lift limitations of the lifter. Roller cams, which we'll discuss below, have the advantage of allowing high rates of lift with relatively short duration.

The confusing thing about duration is the difference between "advertised" and "at .050-lift" duration. At .050-lift duration is measured from the point where the cam moves the lifter up .050 inch until .050 inch before the lifter is all the way back down. Most cam manufacturers differ in where they start and finish measuring for advertised duration. Some start at .004-inch lift, some at .008-inch and some measure it somewhere in between. That's why the .050-lift numbers are the best to go by. A 280 cam (advertised duration) from one manufacturer could actually have less at-.050 duration than a 278 cam from another, due to the different points at which the companies measure advertised duration.

LOBE SEPARATION ANGLE
: This is the relationship between the centerlines of the intake and exhaust lobes. A 110-degree lobe separation angle means that the peak opening points of the intake and exhaust lobes are 110 degrees apart. This is ground into the cam and can't be changed without changing cams. Lobe separation angle is another way of expressing overlap, which is the term formerly used by cam manufacturers. Overlap is the amount of time that both valves are open in the same cylinder. When both valves are open at the same time, cylinder pressure drops. A cam with 106 degrees of lobe separation angle will have more overlap and a rougher idle than one with 112 degrees, but it'll usually make more midrange power.

Read more: Camshaft Choice - Camshaft Specifications - Guidelines - Hot Rod Magazine
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Hmm interesting.... So basically the differences are in the exhaust and intake of the engines. (minus the forged crank) And also the weight they have to pull. So tuning would also be one of those differences...
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Hmm interesting.... So basically the differences are in the exhaust and intake of the engines. (minus the forged crank) And also the weight they have to pull. So tuning would also be one of those differences...
I bet the tuning is the primary difference when the HP is ~20 - 40 different. They can probably really de-tune one of these engines. Just playing around with my tuner the past week or two, I noticed a huge difference on the low RPM ranges.
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Possibly plus figure in the weight of the car. Navi ways alot more than a Mach 1 or even a GT. So really weight factors in also plus drivetrain loss.
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So, could you put a forged crank from a Mach or Cobora in a Mark engine block? Also, are the forged cranks different between teksid and wap blocks?
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So, could you put a forged crank from a Mach or Cobora in a Mark engine block? Also, are the forged cranks different between teksid and wap blocks?
Remember the teksid cobra is the teksid Mark. So yes they are swappable. And no the Forged pieces are the same and are sourced from Kellogg Crankshaft Company in Jackson, Michigan.

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So, could you put a forged crank from a Mach or Cobora in a Mark engine block? Also, are the forged cranks different between teksid and wap blocks?
But then again there isn't a exact need for the forged piece unless into the big power side. Something over 600hp threshold. There hasn't been a crank to come apart that I seen or read about. They race stock cranks in road coarse with no issues. You should have the Crank however prepped for such use.

Also Maybe you guys can help. I'm looking for a cowl for my 02. the black cover bottom of the windshield. Mine broke on both sides and if someone knows anyone parting out a stang see if you can snag it on the cheap. let me know
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^I'll checkout our local classifieds. Might be there or a junk yard down the road. I'll check.
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^I'll checkout our local classifieds. Might be there or a junk yard down the road. I'll check.
Azure, don't you have a manual Mach? Because if you so then you all ready have a Forged crank, 03/04 Cobra Heads. Only thing you don't have is the forged rods and pistons. What you need my friend is the mid-length headers and x-pipe. Don't you cut into that engine for s***. you can run a 8lbs Procharger with 3 core intercooler just fine.

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Lol I actually have that pic on the background of my work PC! I don't know where I found it, but yeah that's a sick setup. I'd love to do this! Maybe someday

Yup, I have a manual tranny. I do plan to update the exhaust at some point. Maybe next year.
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Nomad should change his name to teksid guru!!!
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^Lol yup!
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You guys.... its a bad *** block what can I say. Drove my ride to work for the first time. I loved it. Put 100miles on it today so I'm going to do an inspection. As for the teskid block you have to look at it like this. You want power well why not a block that can be preped for 1500hp, can be sleeved to 3.70in bores giving you 302ci. And have the weight savings to boot
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First 100miles Still GT 2v tune. Could have pulled more in 3rd but rev was close.
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