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05-23-2012, 10:42 PM
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| Theft Light Flashing! Car won't start!
My buddy has a 2001 Gt Auto. It's been down for a few months now, he said he was driving home and out of nowhere the car just shut off and when he got to the side of the road, it wouldn't start back up, and the "Theft Light" was flashing like crazy, all the car would do is turn over but never start. I've looked at the car and I have NO clue what it could be. He took it to a very well know shop and they refused to mess with it or even diagnose it, they said that they don't deal with that kind of thing. And now after sitting for a while, the car won't even turn over anymore, and yes we made sure the battery was charged lol I've checked all fuses and we swapped out all the realys from my 99 Gt (same engine basically) so I know they were all good relays, and the car still kept setting off the theft light and not starting, now it's not even turning over. I'm lost.
He wants to have Ford look at it, but they charge quite a bit and he really doesn't have the cash to spend at the moment.
But I have never heard of this or experienced it, so ANY advice would be appreciated.
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05-23-2012, 10:53 PM
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| Re: Theft Light Flashing! Car won't start!
alrighty there is a few things this can be that i have run across....one has he tried a different key? The key has a chip in it and if the chip goes bad then it will do this, Try a different key. Another thing to try is move the steering wheel tilt in different positions making sure the steering wheel is lock in place, then try to start it. I have seen this on mine. Third, the anti-theft mod has gone bad and you will have to take it to ford but there is something you can do about that though like I did. Since my car is hardly driven, garaged kept, and when it is its driven to the store, track, or somewhere noone will bother it. I took it to the shop that did my tune and they programmed in the tuner to shut the anti-theft module to be turned of so where it didnt effect the starting of the car. Yes, if anyone tells you different then it has been done because my car is proof. If you take it to ford and it is the module then its going to be at least over 1200 in parts and labor because it does have to be programmed or at least thats what I was told. hope that helps
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05-23-2012, 10:53 PM
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It's a PATs issue. Your car will go into a theft mode. It's usually a bad chip it the key. Same thing happened to my dads car he tried his other key and worked fine.
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05-23-2012, 10:55 PM
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| Re: Theft Light Flashing! Car won't start!
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Originally Posted by jjsg09  It's a PATs issue. Your car will go into a theft mode. It's usually a bad chip it the key. Same thing happened to my dads car he tried his other key and worked fine. | Thats the first thing I would do...
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05-23-2012, 11:09 PM
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Disconnect the negative cable from the battery for about one minute. Reconnect the cable ( make sure it's tight ), press the unlock button on your remote; start your vehicle. This worked for me. But when I was researching it I had read that if the PATS had failed then you're SOL and only a dealership can fix it. So I hope this fix works for ya.
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05-23-2012, 11:31 PM
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Had some thing similar happen to me the other day!.. I simply cleared the codes with my tuner and flipped the key over, and it worked just fine!.. But I went to the Ford Dealer and got two new keys, plus the old one reprogramed for $120.00 total!...
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05-24-2012, 06:01 AM
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Quick question.. what is pats? My key for my explorer says it on there?
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05-24-2012, 06:09 AM
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| Re: Theft Light Flashing! Car won't start!
Passive Anti-Theft. Either your key is now bad (bad chip) or PATs is acting up. You'll need Ford for one (or both if you don't have two keys). My friend rebuilt a Mustang and triggered PATs. It shuts you out of using the car pretty hardcore.
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05-24-2012, 07:50 AM
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| Re: Theft Light Flashing! Car won't start!
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Originally Posted by jimmy_beaner Passive Anti-Theft. Either your key is now bad (bad chip) or PATs is acting up. You'll need Ford for one (or both if you don't have two keys). My friend rebuilt a Mustang and triggered PATs. It shuts you out of using the car pretty hardcore. | that is what happen to mine when I rebuild the engine....I dunno if it was the turner that went bad when I plugged it up to tune it that cause this issue. I would go to crank the car and it would run for a few secs backfire, then die and it wouldnt run again. It would get fuel to the plugs but the plugs wouldnt fire. Took to the shop that did the tune and they disable the anti-theft and the car ran normal. I wasnt going to pay the amout ford wanted for the repair cuz it was high....
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05-24-2012, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Eturner Had some thing similar happen to me the other day!.. I simply cleared the codes with my tuner and flipped the key over, and it worked just fine!.. But I went to the Ford Dealer and got two new keys, plus the old one reprogramed for $120.00 total!... | That's cheap...last time I priced it they were $120 per key!
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05-24-2012, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 2002VertGT
That's cheap...last time I priced it they were $120 per key!
| About $60 for the programing (unlimited one time use) and $30 per key!..  | |
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05-24-2012, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Eturner
About $60 for the programing (unlimited one time use) and $30 per key!.. | That's cheap 
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05-24-2012, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 2002VertGT
That's cheap | Hahaha. Around here that's more on the expensive side!.. But the dealership I went to has the best customer service I've ever seen (well as far as dealerships are concerned)!.. Hahahahahaha
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05-24-2012, 04:03 PM
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Same thing happened to my stang with the original owner and he just got a new key that doesn't have a chip or anythig and the car runs perfect and no PATS issue lol
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05-24-2012, 08:14 PM
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#15 | | Evolution's Finest
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Man! I feel like if you own the car, you should be able to get key replacements for cost. That should be something they are happy to do cause you own a Ford. If you actually bought the car there, they should do it for free!
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05-25-2012, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure Man! I feel like if you own the car, you should be able to get key replacements for cost. That should be something they are happy to do cause you own a Ford. If you actually bought the car there, they should do it for free! | I wish I owned the car, he's just a really good friend and I'm trying to help him out by posting it on here, but he's talking about selling it for $3k obo. I'd buy it if I had the money. I think he's taking it to ford sometime next week but I'm not sure. If it's a cheap fix, he'll probably keep it.
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05-25-2012, 08:58 PM
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I paid 150 for reprogramming here at my ford dealer then ended up having to replace the ECM that was $675 fix.
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05-25-2012, 10:52 PM
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It may be a reciver that is under the steering wheel
that's the one that sends the signal to the chip on your key
It happens to me already
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05-26-2012, 12:37 AM
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just get a new car man
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05-26-2012, 01:11 AM
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I am from Conway Arkansas and there is a fellow named Mike who lives nearby. He owns QuarterMile Mustang and that's all he works on. I don't know how far away you live, but he is a literal genius with mustangs and I am positive he could find out what the deal is.
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05-26-2012, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by cokmaster69 just get a new car man | That is such a B$*#h @$$ comment. I bet you go out and get another car every time you need a oil change don't ya?
OP So may options have been presented to you. Talk to your friend and show him the loss he will be taking if he sells it with a problem that can most likely be easily fixed.
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05-28-2012, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BigB227 Same thing happened to my stang with the original owner and he just got a new key that doesn't have a chip or anythig and the car runs perfect and no PATS issue lol | How did you get a key with no chip? I thought the ignition system searches for it?
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05-28-2012, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by AgentOrange
How did you get a key with no chip? I thought the ignition system searches for it?
| Couldnt tell you man it came with the car when I bought it and it doesn't have a chip in it
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05-31-2012, 11:55 AM
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| Re: Theft Light Flashing! Car won't start!
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OP So may options have been presented to you. Talk to your friend and show him the loss he will be taking if he sells it with a problem that can most likely be easily fixed.
| Your right, a lot of otions to try, which I will be trying this weekend cus I have the same problem.
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06-05-2012, 02:57 PM
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| Re: Theft Light Flashing! Car won't start!
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Originally Posted by FORDGT14 I wish I owned the car, he's just a really good friend and I'm trying to help him out by posting it on here, but he's talking about selling it for $3k obo. I'd buy it if I had the money. I think he's taking it to ford sometime next week but I'm not sure. If it's a cheap fix, he'll probably keep it. | Any news on the issue?
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06-05-2012, 03:34 PM
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He had Ford take a look at it and they said his computer was fried. He should have it fixed here pretty soon.
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06-05-2012, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FORDGT14 He had Ford take a look at it and they said his computer was fried. He should have it fixed here pretty soon. | Let us know when he fixes the issue
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06-06-2012, 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Mmustang01
Let us know when he fixes the issue
| Will do.
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06-29-2012, 12:41 AM
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Update, he finally got the computer fixed at ford. It runs like a champ!
Thanks for all the input guys!
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06-29-2012, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by FORDGT14 Update, he finally got the computer fixed at ford. It runs like a champ!
Thanks for all the input guys! | Glad it's running back
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